View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nice, and I'm glad you like your system. We liked ours too, before Obama and the congress critters got ahold of it. Yes, just as you have complaints about some of the particulars of yours, we had some complaints about the particulars of ours. But overall...well, you get the drift.
    I don't have complaints about ours.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    I can't speak for Canada and there are some differences in situation between England and Scotland due to Scottish devolved Government running rings around the UK Government, but the current economic situation and levels of taxation are not really dictated by funding the National Health Service.
    it does in Canada and I am sure it does there as well, how else do you think it is paid for? fairy dust?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    I don't have complaints about ours.
    Then you've got your head stuck in the sand. It's not a perfect system, even for you.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Are you aware of taxes consensually paid?

    It's six and half a dozen how you pay, but isn't it important that everyone can access health care when they need it and regardless of level of income?
    They are only consensual if there is a choice to not do it (choice meaning an actual choice not a do this or I will lock you up "choice"). If the option not do it is not there, which is today's state taxation, there is no consent.

    It is important for everyone to be able to possibly access a good or service without state interference. Your attachment to this good or service that is healthcare is very emotional and you would not apply it to things you do not have an emotional attachment to like a yacht for everyone. The problem with trying to justify what you emotionally like is emotions are rarely logical. Backing into logic from an emotional start may happen occasionally, but it is very rare.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nice, and I'm glad you like your system. We liked ours too, before Obama and the congress critters got ahold of it. Yes, just as you have complaints about some of the particulars of yours, we had some complaints about the particulars of ours. But overall...well, you get the drift.
    "We liked ours too"...Maybe you did. The poor, not so much. Now, Obamacare may not be the perfect solution, but it isn't the menace your partisanship tries to portray.
    Men do what they have to when they want to, Great men do what they have to, even when they don't want to.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    it does in Canada and I am sure it does there as well, how else do you think it is paid for? fairy dust?
    Are you interested in responding to any of the points I put to you at all?

    It's a part of taxation, predating the current economic issues. Funding the NHS does not cause high levels of taxation.

    We are always under the tax cosh when there's a Conservative Government in power and it's not much better when Labour is in and funding all kinds of silly intrusive initiatives like colour coding wheely bins and installing chips in them to ensure people must file their rubbish instead of just disposing of it.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Total BS. None of those countries handle near the huge number of patients as the US system does very successfully. Not even close.
    You're defacto reason has no merit. What bearing does numbers have on the system?
    Men do what they have to when they want to, Great men do what they have to, even when they don't want to.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They are only consensual if there is a choice to not do it (choice meaning an actual choice not a do this or I will lock you up "choice"). If the option not do it is not there, which is today's state taxation, there is no consent.
    Are you an anarchist then?

    It is important for everyone to be able to possibly access a good or service without state interference. Your attachment to this good or service that is healthcare is very emotional and you would not apply it to things you do not have an emotional attachment to like a yacht for everyone. The problem with trying to justify what you emotionally like is emotions are rarely logical. Backing into logic from an emotional start may happen occasionally, but it is very rare.
    Sadly I have no idea what you're trying to say, perhaps you could cut it down a bit.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    And I have fellow employees in Canada and England who can barely feed their families because of the ridiculous taxes and laws they must obey. again no thank you.
    If they can't feed their families because they are poor they aren't paying taxes and if they are they can't feed their families because they are bad with money. If your an average person making 40,000$/year you are paying 14%-20% income tax depending on the province I would not call that bankrupting. Your after tax income income averages between 32,000$ and 34,000$. Plug in whatever number you want here. If you want an example Quebec is the highest taxed jurisdiction in North America.
    Last edited by Carjosse; 01-04-14 at 07:00 PM.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Are you interested in responding to any of the points I put to you at all?

    It's a part of taxation, predating the current economic issues. Funding the NHS does not cause high levels of taxation.

    We are always under the tax cosh when there's a Conservative Government in power and it's not much better when Labour is in and funding all kinds of silly intrusive initiatives like colour coding wheely bins and installing chips in them to ensure people must file their rubbish instead of just disposing of it.
    so in fact taxes are more for the free healthcare system you have? I would rather pay less taxes so I have more money to invest to grow my own portfolio, not the governments

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