View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    Some change is needed, but a complete overhaul I do not believe is necessary. I also think the government getting involved to the extent they have was a bad bad bad idea. Some rule changes, like not denying based off pre existing conditions, I think are good changes.
    I agree with you. I think the focus should have been on health care and not on insurance. What I see happening around where I live is more and more doctors refusing to see anymore new Medicaid patients due to the lower reimbursement percentage along with the longer wait to receive their reimbursement. What seems to be happening is more people are now going on the Medicaid rosters with less doctors now available to see them. This may be a plus for those who were never on Medicaid or had insurance, but it is a definite minus for those who had been on Medicaid previously.

    I have a granddaughter on Medicaid and now she is shopping around for a new doctor as her old one dropped her. She is having one heck of a time.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I agree with you. I think the focus should have been on health care and not on insurance. What I see happening around where I live is more and more doctors refusing to see anymore new Medicaid patients due to the lower reimbursement percentage along with the longer wait to receive their reimbursement. What seems to be happening is more people are now going on the Medicaid rosters with less doctors now available to see them. This may be a plus for those who were never on Medicaid or had insurance, but it is a definite minus for those who had been on Medicaid previously.

    I have a granddaughter on Medicaid and now she is shopping around for a new doctor as her old one dropped her. She is having one heck of a time.
    one of the reactions many feared would happen once this came to be

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ja View Post
    one of the reactions many feared would happen once this came to be
    A complete overhaul and conversion to a universal healthcare system would prevent this from happening. Why do some Americans hate the idea of an 'NHS' for the US so much?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

    But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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    Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?
    Well, I suspect your suspicion may be due to a bias caused by your political ideology.

    It is a well known fact, and one admitted by the WHO, the information provided by the 2000 WHO ranking was worthless due to the methodology used by the countries involved.

    Why don't you pull the 2010 WHO ranking and let everyone know how things changed?

    These rankings are a joke, but I understand your desire to get to single payer as fast a possible, and use any argument possible, no matter how accurate, to try and accomplish that.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    A complete overhaul and conversion to a universal healthcare system would prevent this from happening. Why do some Americans hate the idea of an 'NHS' for the US so much?
    It is happening, due to the ACA. Perotista was factually stating doctors are refusing the new system, because of less reimbursement and slower reimbursement. Nothing in a universal care situation states a doctor has to remain in practice. we need more doctors, not less

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    The Who rankings were admittedly skewed, biased and flawed.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...-rankings.html



    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

    But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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    Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?


    Methodology

    Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.

    First of all, the Who rankings were flawed, false and intentionally biased.
    Secondly, this second report has nothing to do with what is better healthcare.
    It also is a biased report.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The Who rankings were admittedly skewed, biased and flawed.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...-rankings.html







    Methodology

    Each country was ranked on three criteria: life expectancy (weighted 60%), relative per capita cost of health care (30%); and absolute per capita cost of health care (10%). Countries were scored on each criterion and the scores were weighted and summed to obtain their efficiency scores. Relative cost is health cost per capita as a percentage of GDP per capita. Absolute cost is total health expenditure, which covers preventive and curative health services, family planning, nutrition activities and emergency aid. Included were countries with populations of at least five million, GDP per capita of at least $5,000 and life expectancy of at least 70 years.

    First of all, the Who rankings were flawed, false and intentionally biased.
    Secondly, this second report has nothing to do with what is the best healthcare.
    It also is a biased report.
    So, in other words, I can throw as much evidence as I want at you, but anything that claims the US has an awful healthcare system that severely needs overhaul is biased?

    What a great way to debate.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Other: anyone who bitches about it, get the F out and go to one of the 36 countries.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    So, in other words, I can throw as much evidence as I want at you, but anything that claims the US has an awful healthcare system that severely needs overhaul is biased?

    What a great way to debate.
    D'oh!
    You haven't thrown any evidence.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, I suspect your suspicion may be due to a bias caused by your political ideology.

    It is a well known fact, and one admitted by the WHO, the information provided by the 2000 WHO ranking was worthless due to the methodology used by the countries involved.

    Why don't you pull the 2010 WHO ranking and let everyone know how things changed?

    These rankings are a joke, but I understand your desire to get to single payer as fast a possible, and use any argument possible, no matter how accurate, to try and accomplish that.
    Why would my political ideology cause me to want to say the US has bad healthcare? If privatised, insurance-based healthcare was more effective than universal healthcare, I would be pushing for that. My political ideology has nothing to do with it -- and it's also a cheap method to discredit what I'm saying.

    You know as well as I the WHO didn't publish rankings in the 2010 report, so there's another lie you've failed to sell me on -- but if you want more evidence, check it out:

    U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters

    Reuters. Are you going to claim Reuters, or the Commonwealth, are untrustworthy as well?

    Who exactly would be trustworthy to you? FOX News? John Boehner? Sarah Palin?

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