View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Why? So the EU countries can finally feel good about themselves? Waste of time.
    I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain of the EU countries being too humble or sad. Isn't the stereotype that we're arrogant, pompous and self-righteous?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Why? So the EU countries can finally feel good about themselves? Waste of time.
    irrelevant comparison i don' think that EU states care about the US health problems. But American s should think about their outdated values. I
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    I blame the lawyers.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Don't be disingenuous -- you have the same laws. You are similarly not allowed to incite hatred, nor are you able to shout 'fire!' in a movie theatre. You'll get arrested in the US for going to a NAACP meeting and screaming racial epithets and urging people to kill black people, just the same as if you were in Britain.
    In most of Europe there is less censorship of sexual content than in the USA, so in some ways Europe is more free. But on the other hand, there are hate speech laws in many European countries which the USA does not have. We only prosecute for creating an imminent danger through incitement of a riot or fighting words leading to a fight. We also have a corporate controlled media that keeps many viewpointsz from being heard. (I don't know if that is true to the same extent in Europe.]

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I'm sure that none of those foreclosures and bankruptcies were due to poor financial planning, no. Like I said before, the jury is still out on this thing. You talk as though the bill that went into effect 3 days ago is already a huge success that everyone likes and blasts the old system out of the water. With all due respect (now I can say whatever I want), that is a bunch of BS.

    The old system wasn't broken. It was inefficient and bloated. Obamacare won't fix much of that through addressing mainly insurance. Lastly, which European system do you like? Keep in mind that logistics and administration for 5-10 million people is a little easier than 50-150 million (assuming the rest covered by work).
    Read my posts, I am not defending ACA, I'm saying that the previous non-system was not acceptable. I prefer a system that does not include a role for insurance companies at all.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I prefer a system that does not include a role for insurance companies at all.
    You are against social security?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    The US having the latest and greatest has nothing to do with population, rather it has to do with the profit motive. The US health care consumer pays far more for the research than thepiggybackers.

    To level the playing field, it might be a smart move for the US to tax health care products exported to other countries, and levy a tax on those coming here for the superior care.

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    Since then, the agency has funded research and new facilities and has trained high school, undergraduate and graduate students for careers in stem cell science.

    Forecasts estimate we will have generated $286M in tax revenues by 2014."
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    "The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services , is the nation’s medical research agency—making important discoveries that improve health and save lives.

    NIH is the largest source of funding for medical research in the world, creating hundreds of thousands of high-quality jobs by funding thousands of scientists in universities and research institutions in every state across America and around the globe.....

    Due in large measure to NIH research, a baby born in the United States today can expect to live to nearly age 79 — about three decades longer than one born in 1900. Not only are we living longer, but our quality of life is improving. Over the last quarter century, the proportion of older people with chronic disabilities has dropped by nearly one-third."
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    irrelevant comparison i don' think that EU states care about the US health problems. But American s should think about their outdated values. I
    You mean like having a healthcare system that successfully treats more people than the entirety of the EU while at the same time allowing for far more choice than any of the EU countries offer? No thanks.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You are against social security?
    I prefer a system that does not include a role for insurance companies at all.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain of the EU countries being too humble or sad. Isn't the stereotype that we're arrogant, pompous and self-righteous?
    Nope, the general stereotype is that your systems are restrictive and your societies blase and your people sort of grey and tired. Nannies and serfs.

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