View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    You have no idea how single-payer works then. Single-payer is a payment system where the government pays for everyone instead of just the individual patient. I can go to the United States and treatment and the Ontario government will pay for it, they just don't like doing it because they never negotiated the price. It is to make bargaining with companies which makes it easier to get cheaper drugs and other medical instruments. All the research is still done by private companies and universities just paid for differently and the price is negotiated instead of the companies being to charge what ever the hell they want. Sometimes provinces will even work together to buy things because you get a better deal if you say buy 1,000,000 whatever of a drug at a time instead of one person buying a few.
    Why would you go the the US to get treatment if yours is so high a quality?
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.
    Well golly gee, if you believe that, I would recommend you stick your head into the thread where we discuss the multitude of problems with that study, and get subsequently creamed.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Why would you go the the US to get treatment if yours is so high a quality?
    Well the U.S. has treatments that may not be available here as the U.S. does have the newest research as you have the population to do it. You can have more people doing research in California alone than we can have.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well the U.S. has treatments that may not be available here as the U.S. does have the newest research as you have the population to do it. You can have more people doing research in California alone than we can have.
    The US having the latest and greatest has nothing to do with population, rather it has to do with the profit motive. The US health care consumer pays far more for the research than thepiggybackers.

    To level the playing field, it might be a smart move for the US to tax health care products exported to other countries, and levy a tax on those coming here for the superior care.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    The US having the latest and greatest has nothing to do with population, rather it has to do with the profit motive. The US health care consumer pays far more for the research than thepiggybackers.

    To level the playing field, it might be a smart move for the US to tax health care products exported to other countries, and levy a tax on those coming here for the superior care.
    The U.S. has 10x our population please tell me how that has nothing to do with it. There is still profit motive in a single-payer system, it encourages competition as only the best product will be chosen. It is like military procurement whoever can produce the best equipment for the best price will be chosen.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The U.S. has 10x our population please tell me how that has nothing to do with it. There is still profit motive in a single-payer system, it encourages competition as only the best product will be chosen. It is like military procurement whoever can produce the best equipment for the best price will be chosen.
    That may be how military procurement works on paper, but sure as hell it doesn't work that way in practice. OR at least as I understand it.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    Total BS. None of those countries handle near the huge number of patients as the US system does very successfully. Not even close.

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    USA should change Mr.Freedom identity. at least domestically
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    I can't wait for Europe to fall once Germany and GB pulls the plug, which they will....albeit slowly, but they will. Hopefully, America will wake up and go isolationist/autonomous again so we don't need to carry that continent once more. European arrogance needs a slap in the face. The only mention worthy countries in that area are France, GB, and Germany. The rest are as useless and relevant as tits on a boar. Hopefully, they band together and put some semblance of whatever you call "order" in the region.

    Now that's progress. Let the chips fall where they may, let America sit back for about 10 years. Let us know how well European social engineering and economic prowess is doing in the attempt to save the world and develop utopia. I'll grab the popcorn. Let me know when the riots stop.



    I long for the days when we were just trade partners.

    For the record, you HAD culture. Now you're a shadow of your former selves. Freedom, with a camera on every corner. Give yourselves a round of applause.


    And this is nothing personal, I don't know you. I have met some decent Europeans, but nil can grasp how our understanding of freedom is viable. I suppose being subjects of a crown for generations can do that to you. God save the queen.
    It's not all Germany. That's a blatant lie. Britain and France are both growing, though that may be hard for you to hear. That is simply a fact.

    The Euro is in no danger of collapsing, despite what your fearmongers tell you -- as I said, there was an article literally yesterday on the BBC explaining how the Euro is safe now.

    In your own Time magazine, there was a piece on the renewed strength of the Eurozone, and even the Economist, which is decidedly right-wing, admitted there's little danger of failure anymore.

    I don't know where you're getting your information -- 2009?

    Anyway, as for Democrats vs. Republicans, I can't help but laugh at what you said. Yes, in fact, I do consider 52% a majority. That's literally the definition of a majority.

    The Republican Party is dying of its backwardness and older support -- and those Tea Party nuts are not helping. Texas is projected to be a blue state (Texas!) by 2030, due to immigration and urbanisation -- and if it can happen in Texas, it can happen anywhere.

    You may not think of us as your brethren, just as a rebellious teenager rages at the parent, but we are the same. We speak the same languages, we have the same laws, we have the same forms of governments, the same political ideals, the same social ideals, the same religions, the same hobbies, the same enemies, and the same lifestyles.

    Are there differences? Sure. Maybe I love haggis, which you would find repulsive. Maybe you enjoy shooting guns, which I would find antiquated. But our cultures, or rather, culture, is in total agreement that democracy is the way to go, and that people should have rights, and that the legal system should be fair, and that there ought be checks and balances on the government.

    You say half the country hates us -- I don't think so. Why else would Europe be the Number One destination for American tourists? Why else would Americans watch so much British TV? Why else would they go absolutely insane over the Royal wedding? Why else would Americans both to learn European languages, or buy European merchandise, or read European literature?

    You're a bigot, and it does not cast you in a good light. We bear you no ill will as a people, and I think the majority of Americans bear us no ill will. Why are you so hate-filled?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    USA should change Mr.Freedom identity. at least domestically
    Why? So the EU countries can finally feel good about themselves? Waste of time.

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