View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Free speech exists in Europe aswell
    Speech is suppressed in Europe.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Speech is suppressed in Europe.
    Please tell me, how?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Militaryies? What do you know about militaries. The US is more than capable of defeating conventionally the entire combined military forces of the rest of the world if the British and British Commonwealth states stay neutral. Britain (commonwealth countries included here), Israel and possibly japan are the only two countries that even come close to developing the quality of US equipment and troops. Can we exert control over all those populations, no, could we defeat them in a stand up fight, no problem at all, just might take a bit of time.

    EU is not the most political or economically influential. If given a choice between the EU and the US in a trade war, there would be very few who followed the EU. And military force = Political influence when all is said and done.

    BTW, in Afghanistan, it was the French, who retreated in the face of odds faced regularly by US and the British forces that allowed the insurgents to get such a strong foot hold in Afghanistan today. The only problem defeating French troops is where to put and how to feed all the surrender monkies.
    I probably know more about militaries than you do -- and not just because I can see you know little at all from your post.

    Britain and the British Commonwealth, including India, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and half of Africa staying neutral is, firstly, a huge, huge condition for victory.

    Secondly, you're full of ****. The US spends a lot on its military, but the idea that it could defeat the rest of the world in a conventional fight is utter ludicrous -- mere population would disagree. Secondly, you might note that for all the US's military might, it has failed time and time again to defeat smaller, poorer countries ranging from the Middle East to Asia to Europe.

    French and British troops are amongst the most highly trained in the world, and the French Foreign Legion is unequivocally and absolutely one of the most effective military tools in the world today -- interventions across Asia and Africa that have been quick, successful and well-executed, where American troops have been bogged down, are par for the course for the Legion.

    I would also like a single source that says that the French military fleeing in Afghanistan resulted in Taliban control -- because that's pure and blatant bull****. Some uneducated Americans like to propagate this 'French surrender monkey' (spelled monkey, not monkie, by the way) myth, but I challenge you to open your eyes and look at the facts:

    French troops since the turn of the millennia have been in: Cote d'Ivoire, Mali, Guyana, Djibouti, the Central African Republic, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Chad and Somalia. American troops have undertaken operations in: Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia.

    That's funny -- it looks like the French list was a lot longer! How bizarre, everyone knows the French never engage in military operations, being of course cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

    Or maybe that title should go to the Americans?

    As for the EU -- it is the largest economy in the world. There is no debate. Its GDP, GNP and PPP are all higher than that of the United States, and, as I mentioned, it is the world's largest aid donor, humanitarian developer, normative power and international arbiter.

    It is also the largest collection of G8 states, and it holds two seats on the UN Security Council to America's one. The EU is the largest and most powerful political bloc in the world.

    In short, you are wrong, and bigoted. You believe that America is the best at everything purely because you were born there, but the facts do not hold up. Your place in the world is not where you think it is.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Speech is suppressed in Europe.
    Don't be absurd. We have all of the free speech rights that you do. In fact, we have plenty of rights that Americans don't, leading me to think that Western European nations are a lot more free than America. The right to healthcare, for one -- it is indeed nice that we don't starve or die of our illness when we fall sick. That's a right. The right to a minimum wage! That's a good one too. Waiters and waitresses in the US are paid under minimum wage, which is pathetic -- in Britain and France, everyone, and I mean everyone, is paid at least minimum wage or more. Or the freedom to travel to Cuba, our governments haven't taken that from us like yours has.

    Or, the freedom to not be shot in one of the tens of thousands of shootings that occur in the US every year -- in Britain, there were 64 last year.

    Yeah, I think we're a lot more free than you are.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Don't be absurd. We have all of the free speech rights that you do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Please tell me, how?
    Ridicule, hate, contempt, and blasphemy speech. Especially in England, with jail for tweeting.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Ridicule, hate, contempt, and blasphemy speech. Especially in England, with jail for tweeting.
    Don't be disingenuous -- you have the same laws. You are similarly not allowed to incite hatred, nor are you able to shout 'fire!' in a movie theatre. You'll get arrested in the US for going to a NAACP meeting and screaming racial epithets and urging people to kill black people, just the same as if you were in Britain.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Don't be disingenuous -- you have the same laws.
    Absolutely not. All four of the ones mentioned are not just allowed, the state is banned from punishing them.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Absolutely not. All four of the ones mentioned are not just allowed, the state is banned from punishing them.
    Show me the laws. I know for a fact people have been prosecuted for just those things -- show me I'm wrong.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Show me the laws. I know for a fact people have been prosecuted for just those things
    First amendment.

    Check SCOTUS cases: Snyder v. Phelps (protects "outrageous" speech), United States v. Alvarez (protects false speech), and of course a very important part of free speech which is the state cannot decide which words are bannable with Near v. Minnesota.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    France and Britain are still in the top 10 economies in the world, as is Germany. They have two of the best militaries in the world -- most analysts put France as the third most powerful military IN THE WORLD, after the US and Russia. I can hear it now, 'we're number 3! we're number 3!

    The EU is the world's largest economy, the centre of Western political and philosophical thought, and the single largest: Aid donor, developer, international arbiter, economic power, and normative/social power.
    It's the center of failed western political ideology, a failed social experiment, and is being held together by one country (it was two, but France just chased out it's top earners with their new 75% tax, well done by the way). Isn't the Euro about to collapse anyways? How many countries have been bailed out? I think Greece is going on round 2.

    The French and British invade, even in the last 50 years, more countries on average than the US, and indeed they have a better success rate in those countries. France has just recently deployed to Chad, the Central African Republic and Mali, while also maintaining a force in Afghanistan for the duration of that war, as well as troops in the Horn of Africa, Djibouti, Cote d'Ivoire, and Guyana amongst others. The allied intervention in Libya in 2011 was mainly based off of the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which is, by the way, the only nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the world operated by a country other than the US.
    Congratulations. America doesn't care.

    The countries of the EU, as well, fund a much larger portion of the UN than America does:

    United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All told, America funds 22% of the UN, while the EU funds more than 30% of the UN.

    So, you mean to tell me all of the countries in the EU managed, TOGETHER, to pay only 8% more than a single country? This isn't something to be proud of.

    So, in other words, pull your colonial head out of your ass -- the facts do not agree with you.
    America, once again, could care less about Europe, nor should we. They are proving to be our downfall, influencing us and attempting to ratify law by foreign decree. The day UN troops are on US soil, I assure you, target practice on blue helmets commences. I think we should return to our isolationist policies with the old policy of trade with all, ally with none, avoid war, everyone can do what they want. We don't want to be part of this failed globalist experiment. We don't want this utopia being offered. We don't want social enlightenment in the form of western european idealism. We don't want bottom up social justice or wealth redistribution. The EU is a drag on the worlds economy, and if Germany (and formerly France) didn't hold it together, you'd all be bankrupt (not that Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece, etc aren't on their way or already there). You were better off before this desire for an unattainable system. Kick the UN to the curb, drop the EU, and be your own people again. Globalism does not work. It never will.

    The thousands of years of feudal rule and being subjects of the government...I can understand the indoctrinated beliefs.
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