View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Um, if Liberals get their way and degrade or collapse the whole system, then wouldn't more people suffer?
    Liberals are not the ones who want the system to degrade or collapse. If ACA doesn't work it will likely be due to the sabotage* from conservatives/Republicans. I'm not a big fan of ACA, but there is evidence it can do more good than harm, and I hope that happens. Whether it does or not, I would rather have one of the types of systems that are working better than ours in many countries.


    *"Here’s a blueprint for the GOP’s sabotage act, which runs the gamut from spreading half-truths to, as John Boehner himself put it, “risk[ing] the full faith and credit of the United States.”

    Refuse to expand Medicaid

    The Supreme Court’s ruling last year gave states the right to opt out of the Medicaid expansion, which is one of the most significant pieces of the ACA in terms of the impact it will have on the uninsured and its importance to the overall success of the law. More than twenty states—most fully controlled by Republicans in the legislature and the governor’s office—are denying some of the neediest Americans care by refusing to expand the program. Some 9.7 million of the 15 million potentially eligible adults live in states that are refusing to expand or have not indicated whether they will do so.

    Refuse to create state insurance exchanges

    More than half the states have declined to establish their own insurance marketplaces. All but six are run by Republican governors and a Republican-majority legislature. Residents will still be able to buy insurance through the federal exchange, but without cooperation and promotion from state officials, it will be more difficult to reach the uninsured.....

    Block improvements to the law

    While implementation has brought certain weaknesses in the ACA to light, there’s about zero chance that the GOP will support operational or funding fixes. Some of the concerns raised—for example, that employers will cut full-time workers in order to avoid providing insurance for their employees—could be met with simple changes. If the GOP’s full-out attack on the Obama administration after its decision to delay the employer mandate for a year in order to smooth out some of these issues is any indication, the GOP will do no more than exploit efforts to improve the law.

    Publicize misinformation

    Republicans squawking about rate shocks are presenting misleading numbers, particularly in Indiana and Ohio. One of the simplest ways the GOP fudges calculations to make anticipated premium prices look higher than they will be is by not factoring in the federal subsidies that will cut the cost of the premiums for most people buying coverage. Expect the volume of lying to rise when legislators return to their home districts during the August recess.

    Discourage private partnerships

    When Massachusetts was promoting Romneycare in 2007, the state partnered with the Red Sox to educate residents about the new law and encourage enrollment. Public education is key to the ACA rollout, too, and the White House has enlisted celebrities and sports franchises to raise awareness, particularly in target groups like healthy young men. The GOP is trying to scare off potential partners, and it has already succeeded with the NFL.

    Refuse to assist constituents

    Not only are Republicans spreading misinformation and ruining education campaigns, they have also indicated that they won’t help confused constituents navigate the law or access benefits. Congressional offices expect a wave of calls once enrollment begins in the fall, but several Republicans told The Hill they weren’t preparing to answer questions. “All we can do is pass them back to the Obama administration,” Utah Representative Jason Chaffetz said. “They’re responsible for it.”...........

    ..........Why work to undermine the Affordable Care Act so aggressively if, as Republicans claim, the law is fundamentally flawed? One reason is that the party hopes to leverage the chaos into political benefit. More significantly, the risks of an effective ACA are just too high. Once the full range of benefits begins to reach people with pre-existing conditions, low-income adults, employees and millions of other citizens, it’s going to be a lot harder to make the argument that the ACA is ruining the country or that such benefits should be denied."

    A Blueprint for the GOP's Attempt to Sabotage Obamacare | The Nation

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Liberals are not the ones who want the system to degrade or collapse. If ACA doesn't work it will likely be due to the sabotage* from conservatives/Republicans. I'm not a big fan of ACA, but there is evidence it can do more good than harm, and I hope that happens. Whether it does or not, I would rather have one of the types of systems that are working better than ours in many countries.


    *"Here’s a blueprint for the GOP’s sabotage act, which runs the gamut from spreading half-truths to, as John Boehner himself put it, “risk[ing] the full faith and credit of the United States.”

    Refuse to expand Medicaid

    The Supreme Court’s ruling last year gave states the right to opt out of the Medicaid expansion, which is one of the most significant pieces of the ACA in terms of the impact it will have on the uninsured and its importance to the overall success of the law. More than twenty states—most fully controlled by Republicans in the legislature and the governor’s office—are denying some of the neediest Americans care by refusing to expand the program. Some 9.7 million of the 15 million potentially eligible adults live in states that are refusing to expand or have not indicated whether they will do so.

    Refuse to create state insurance exchanges

    More than half the states have declined to establish their own insurance marketplaces. All but six are run by Republican governors and a Republican-majority legislature. Residents will still be able to buy insurance through the federal exchange, but without cooperation and promotion from state officials, it will be more difficult to reach the uninsured.....

    Block improvements to the law

    While implementation has brought certain weaknesses in the ACA to light, there’s about zero chance that the GOP will support operational or funding fixes. Some of the concerns raised—for example, that employers will cut full-time workers in order to avoid providing insurance for their employees—could be met with simple changes. If the GOP’s full-out attack on the Obama administration after its decision to delay the employer mandate for a year in order to smooth out some of these issues is any indication, the GOP will do no more than exploit efforts to improve the law.

    Publicize misinformation

    Republicans squawking about rate shocks are presenting misleading numbers, particularly in Indiana and Ohio. One of the simplest ways the GOP fudges calculations to make anticipated premium prices look higher than they will be is by not factoring in the federal subsidies that will cut the cost of the premiums for most people buying coverage. Expect the volume of lying to rise when legislators return to their home districts during the August recess.

    Discourage private partnerships

    When Massachusetts was promoting Romneycare in 2007, the state partnered with the Red Sox to educate residents about the new law and encourage enrollment. Public education is key to the ACA rollout, too, and the White House has enlisted celebrities and sports franchises to raise awareness, particularly in target groups like healthy young men. The GOP is trying to scare off potential partners, and it has already succeeded with the NFL.

    Refuse to assist constituents

    Not only are Republicans spreading misinformation and ruining education campaigns, they have also indicated that they won’t help confused constituents navigate the law or access benefits. Congressional offices expect a wave of calls once enrollment begins in the fall, but several Republicans told The Hill they weren’t preparing to answer questions. “All we can do is pass them back to the Obama administration,” Utah Representative Jason Chaffetz said. “They’re responsible for it.”...........

    ..........Why work to undermine the Affordable Care Act so aggressively if, as Republicans claim, the law is fundamentally flawed? One reason is that the party hopes to leverage the chaos into political benefit. More significantly, the risks of an effective ACA are just too high. Once the full range of benefits begins to reach people with pre-existing conditions, low-income adults, employees and millions of other citizens, it’s going to be a lot harder to make the argument that the ACA is ruining the country or that such benefits should be denied."

    A Blueprint for the GOP's Attempt to Sabotage Obamacare | The Nation
    Ok, I didn't read all your hype. First of all, Obama care was never designed to work. It was supposed to have an option for the government to seize control and initiate a socialized system. Failure to include that only has an impact in that the failure will only help push for socialized medicine as the system fails.

    Further, it is rather unrealistic and frankly, rather naive and ignorant of people to not realize that the problems and failures of the government concerning healthcare are the result of liberals. The Republicans have had 6 years out of about the last 100, 2 in the 1950s and 4 Under G. W. Bush, where they had majority in both houses and the white house. That means that every law passed other than in those 6 years did so at the approval of the democrats/liberals.

    For a very longtime now, the world and all socialized systems have been dependent upon the US and a few other private healthcare facilities for almost the total sum of medical advancements. If you remove the largest player/contributor, then you kill that. Further, there is not a single socialized system, medical or otherwise, that has ever proved to be superior or even worked without additional input from non-socialized systems. Without a strong non-socialized system to contribute, all socialized systems have and will continue to fail, miserably.

    If the GOP is intentionally doing anything, good for them because Obama care is a piece of crap. It and all other systems like it are based solely upon taking from one person/group and giving to another. You cannot take from people without creating conflict and animosity. Those who get something for free out of it are going to love it, probably, those who actually have to work and sacrifice to pay for it are going to hate it.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    ..Further, it is rather unrealistic and frankly, rather naive and ignorant of people to not realize that the problems and failures of the government concerning healthcare are the result of liberals...
    There have never been more than a few real liberals in Congress and the Senate at one time, people like Tom Hayden, Barbara Lee, Bernie Sanders, Barny Frank and Ted Kennedy. The ACA was compromised to gain support from all the centrist Democrats and with the hope of getting some Republican support. ACA was supported by liberals as an improvement over doing nothing, but they have never been enthusiastic about. It was hoped it will lead to something better.

    I have no problem with the continued existence of private health care systems as long as they don't threaten a public system. The two coexist in many European countries.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    According to a liberal government produced report to fuel more government suggesting the only answer is government.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Who the hell is talking about exile? Exile is force.

    If you don't like the policies of where you are, be somewhere else. Otherwise, the least of what you are is hypocritical.
    Or, even better... try to instigate change. Jeepers, what a concept, eh?
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    i voted option one, but would compromise with option two, assuming that Medicare would cover anyone who wants it and accepting it as payment isn't optional for normal care and medicine. i'm more supportive of something like the Canadian system.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Actually.....

    The U.N. is America. All these glorious western European utopias couldn't fund it if they had to. Useless, economically dependent countries. If Germany pulled out, the bread lines would look like highways in the rest of Europe.

    I think we should pull out personally. This one government agenda is ridiculous, continually failing, accomplishing nothing aside from draining pockets of American tax payers so European leaders can feel like they still have an impact. Feel good B.S. U.N. is useless, as is NATO.
    France and Britain are still in the top 10 economies in the world, as is Germany. They have two of the best militaries in the world -- most analysts put France as the third most powerful military IN THE WORLD, after the US and Russia.

    The EU is the world's largest economy, the centre of Western political and philosophical thought, and the single largest: Aid donor, developer, international arbiter, economic power, and normative/social power.

    The French and British invade, even in the last 50 years, more countries on average than the US, and indeed they have a better success rate in those countries. France has just recently deployed to Chad, the Central African Republic and Mali, while also maintaining a force in Afghanistan for the duration of that war, as well as troops in the Horn of Africa, Djibouti, Cote d'Ivoire, and Guyana amongst others. The allied intervention in Libya in 2011 was mainly based off of the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which is, by the way, the only nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the world operated by a country other than the US.

    The countries of the EU, as well, fund a much larger portion of the UN than America does:

    United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All told, America funds 22% of the UN, while the EU funds more than 30% of the UN.

    So, in other words, pull your colonial head out of your ass -- the facts do not agree with you.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There have never been more than a few real liberals in Congress and the Senate at one time, people like Tom Hayden, Barbara Lee, Bernie Sanders, Barny Frank and Ted Kennedy. The ACA was compromised to gain support from all the centrist Democrats and with the hope of getting some Republican support. ACA was supported by liberals as an improvement over doing nothing, but they have never been enthusiastic about. It was hoped it will lead to something better.

    I have no problem with the continued existence of private health care systems as long as they don't threaten a public system. The two coexist in many European countries.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    Not being in a giant culture war would help.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There have never been more than a few real liberals in Congress and the Senate at one time, people like Tom Hayden, Barbara Lee, Bernie Sanders, Barny Frank and Ted Kennedy. The ACA was compromised to gain support from all the centrist Democrats and with the hope of getting some Republican support. ACA was supported by liberals as an improvement over doing nothing, but they have never been enthusiastic about. It was hoped it will lead to something better.

    I have no problem with the continued existence of private health care systems as long as they don't threaten a public system. The two coexist in many European countries.
    Whether their commiecrats that call themselves liberal, socialist, progressive or any other than, they are still the greatest destructive force in the country.

    As far as what works in Europe, most of our ancestors came here to get away from crap in Europe, not copy it.
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