View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

    6 13.04%
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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yes. We have great medical care for those who can afford it.
    I wasn't talking availability, I was talking quality.

    So yes.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Scaremongering.

    Countries all over can fund decent and equitable health service without taxing people out of existence. Why isn't it a basic human right in US?

    You're underdeveloped...
    Bull****, Europeans are treated like cattle. My company has plants there too and the government has their hands in everything. No thank you.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    And we pay for it anyway, just in the least efficient way possible right now.
    Yes it is much worse now than say 5 years ago.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Availability is not a measure of quality in general. Further, how many people in the US are actually denied care?

    Availability of advanced care could be a measure of quality. Availability of procedures outside of basic care could affect quality measures. Waiting times for non-basic care could be used as a factor in the measure of Quality. So could number of post visit infections. Deaths from infection during/following surgeries. Actually meeting and talking with you surgeon before a procedure, I think, should be in there also. Availability of advanced diagnostics. Many other factors.

    Life expectancy could, if you can quantitatively also take into account various other factors, diet, exercise, drug/alcohol use etc.

    But just how many don't have coverage in non-socialized systems vs everyone being covered under a socialized system is in no way, shape or form a factor in accessing quality.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    As of yet, PPACA is net-negative in terms of people with health insurance. And the business mandate has not become law yet.
    I'm not defending ACA, I'm saying doing nothing to address the health care situation was not acceptable and we should use the examples of other nations in consideration of a solution.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yes it is much worse now than say 5 years ago.
    And yet, prior to the mid-1970s, there was no significant cost differences. What changed then? Why not reset the system to then and try other things? If something works, you change it and then it gets broken, then the first thing to do is return it to where it was before you made changes not take off on different tangents?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I'm not defending ACA, I'm saying doing nothing to address the health care situation was not acceptable and we should use the examples of other nations in consideration of a solution.
    The solution used as of now has made it worse.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    ...But just how many don't have coverage in non-socialized systems vs everyone being covered under a socialized system is in no way, shape or form a factor in accessing quality.
    That summarizes the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals do not consider a system to be successful if it fails to provide adequate service to a significant portion of the population. Conservatives are generally accepting of situations in which poor people suffer.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That summarizes the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals do not consider a system to be successful if it fails to provide adequate service to a significant portion of the population. Conservatives are generally accepting of situations in which poor people suffer.
    Democrats (called liberals in the US) support the suffering of people, and strive for it.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That summarizes the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals do not consider a system to be successful if it fails to provide adequate service to a significant portion of the population. Conservatives are generally accepting of situations in which poor people suffer.
    Um, if Liberals get their way and degrade or collapse the whole system, then wouldn't more people suffer?
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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