View Poll Results: What needs to change in US healthcare?

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  • Complete overhaul, replacing old system with European-style universal healthcare.

    27 58.70%
  • Partial overhaul, including expansion of Medicare, reworking of profit-based insurance system.

    9 19.57%
  • Sparse overhaul, based around getting rid of the profit-based private insurance companies.

    4 8.70%
  • Nothing needs to change, the US system is good the way it is.

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Thread: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    I understand the valid point the OP was making, but this is a hardy perennial argument which surfaces regularly. As only one other poster appears to have mentioned, we are talking about two different things.

    Health care, per se, (as in the quality of procedures and research,) is probably second to none in the USA (as one would reasonably expect in the wealthiest society on earth).

    To what the WHO, and a number of other organisations, are referring is the health care system extant in the USA - primarily concerning distribution and availability (related to the ability to pay). For different reasons, (but still related to distribution) Australia fared badly (only a few places above the USA) in the WHO rankings. This may sem unfair to Australians (Australia offers first class medical treatment, combined with an effective UHC system,) but its overall effectiveness is reduced by the tyranny of distance. This means that a relatively few people living on a land mass slightly larger than the continental United States, experience difficulties in gaining access to prompt services due to having to travel literally thousands of kilometres (in some instances) from extremely remote communities. Thus, the distribution of health care services is unequal depending upon where you live. (People elsewhere have little concept of how large Australia is - Texas would fit about six times into one Australian state - Western Australia.) All these things are valid arbiters of a health care system, but not necessarily of the quality of health care offered.

    I am not nit-picking, but trying to assist in the understanding of what was meant by the OP, and the reaction of most Americans to the apparent allegation that US health care is sub-standard. It most decidedly is not, but perhaps the system could be improved.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    It's no secret that the US healthcare system is a disaster, and of all developed nations, the US has some of the worst healthcare and overall health.

    This Business Insider article mentions the 36 countries that have better healthcare than the US, from France in #1 to Costa Rica in #36.

    My poll today is: What needs to change to bring the US closer to other developed nations in terms of healthcare quality, service and costs?

    The 36 Best Healthcare Systems In The World - Business Insider
    I know that New Zealand has fallen off a bit lately but they have a decidedly better system than the USA and they are not on that list at all... something fishy.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    ..The previous system was far from perfect, but also far from broken, and to change the status quo so substantially requires a little more time to see if the replacement system is actually better. For the reasons cited above, I'm a little skeptical which I think is understandable. With respect to other countries' systems, I think to blindly replicate something just because the "cool Europeans do it, and they've always been so right ...huh?" is a really bad reason to change an entire system.
    In some states more than a quarter of the population had no coverage, medical problems were the leading cause of foreclosures and bankruptcies, and a large portion of health care for low income people was provided through the least cost efficient method; emergency rooms. Many people are stuck in their jobs because they wouldn't be able to get coverage otherwise. I considered that broken..

    We should not adopt another country's system because it is "cool," we should adopt the aspects of other country's systems that are proven to work well.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So, we have great medical care but poor health care?
    Yes. We have great medical care for those who can afford it.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    In some states more than a quarter of the population had no coverage
    As of yet, PPACA is net-negative in terms of people with health insurance. And the business mandate has not become law yet.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Problem. The Business Insider article from 2012 referenced the notorious WHO report so full of errors and disinformation the WHO won't publish another ranking again.

    So, your post contains zero facts, and might then be difficult to attract anything meaningful.
    Sure we can extract meaningful information from it. The morale of the story is simple, if the government doesn't pay for it and give to everyone for "free", it sucks and should be considered of low quality no matter what other factors exist.
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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    This is the first I've heard that the report was anything but based off of careful research. I suspect you don't like the WHO report for the same reason you probably don't like the UN or the WTO -- they're not American, they appear to take power away from America, and they often criticise America when you would prefer not to be criticised.

    But if you'd like another report, here you are:

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    Bloomberg ranks the US as 46th. Maybe the WHO wasn't so bad after all?
    Actually.....

    The U.N. is America. All these glorious western European utopias couldn't fund it if they had to. Useless, economically dependent countries. If Germany pulled out, the bread lines would look like highways in the rest of Europe.

    I think we should pull out personally. This one government agenda is ridiculous, continually failing, accomplishing nothing aside from draining pockets of American tax payers so European leaders can feel like they still have an impact. Feel good B.S. U.N. is useless, as is NATO.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Nobody wants to truly pay for it. I have associates in Canada that pay 50+% of every pay check because of the health system there. One of them makes 10k more than I do but I still get to take more of mine home.

    I never want to work for 50 cents on the dollar, we might as well bring back slavery if liberals are alright making slaves out the working class that always gets stuck with the bill.

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Nobody wants to truly pay for it. I have associates in Canada that pay 50+% of every pay check because of the health system there. One of them makes 10k more than I do but I still get to take more of mine home.

    I never want to work for 50 cents on the dollar, we might as well bring back slavery if liberals are alright making slaves out the working class that always gets stuck with the bill.
    Scaremongering.

    Countries all over can fund decent and equitable health service without taxing people out of existence. Why isn't it a basic human right in US?

    You're underdeveloped...

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    Re: There are 36 countries with better healthcare than the USA. What needs to happen?

    And we pay for it anyway, just in the least efficient way possible right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Viv View Post
    Scaremongering.

    Countries all over can fund decent and equitable health service without taxing people out of existence. Why isn't it a basic human right in US?

    You're underdeveloped...
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