View Poll Results: Should we build Keysone oil pipeline?

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  • yes - infrastructure is a wise investment

    15 53.57%
  • yes: but only because the oil trains are so dangerous

    2 7.14%
  • no: rely on the oil trains, Keystone has it's own problem

    4 14.29%
  • no: Keystone and oil pipelines are not needed

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Thread: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I agree we should move away from organic hydrocarbon fuels,
    the problem is, only one technology is capable of filling the gap right now,
    and that is man made hydrocarbons.
    All of the other technologies, like electric cars and the like, do not have enough
    energy density to grow and transport the food that keeps everyone alive.
    For home electric use, we do have a lot of room to improve,
    and we should work in that direction.
    We are exporting 400,000 barrels of refined gasoline today as our own consumption is at pre 2000 levels and dropping. The Keystone pipeline is also for EXPORT of refined gasoline and is not for US consumption...it just isn't needed here. Why should we take all the risks of transporting it and the pollution from refining it when it is purely for Canada's and private enterprise profit? The Canadian people have decided the risk is not worth it to them and refuse to build a refinery to handle the sticky oil or even a pipeline to the West coast so they could export it themselves. Why do you think that is?

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This is one of the few things you've gotten right here. It's going to get built and the environmental damage risk from routing in through to the pacific through Alaska and the Western Canadian provinces is significantly higher then the current planned route.

    However, TransCanada has a shotty reputation and has a history of spills, bad construction, shoddy workmanship so on and so forth.
    There are standards that have be met, as far as weld integrity. It's doubtful that there will be any shoddy work.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder how much energy those consume.
    Thermodepolymerization is for organics - i.e. the plastics only. Plasma induction is expensive - not at all cost effective. It costs much more to recycle the used batteries than new ones cost. The key is that such things are available, but aren't in use because they are cost prohibitive. The disposal problem remains.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are standards that have be met, as far as weld integrity. It's doubtful that there will be any shoddy work.
    yep, just like the oil derricks in the gulf
    spot on, as usual, apdst
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yep, just like the oil derricks in the gulf
    spot on, as usual, apdst
    Better than the green energy industry's record. Eh, JB?

    Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report | Fox News

    And, unlike the green energy, the oil and gas industry actually creates jobs and doesn't rip-off the taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Better than the green energy industry's record. Eh, JB?

    Bankrupt solar panel firm took stimulus money, left a toxic mess, says report | Fox News

    And, unlike the green energy, the oil and gas industry actually creates jobs and doesn't rip-off the taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    problem is apdst, we are not discussing green technology
    this thread is about something quite opposite
    dirty **** we do not need in our nation's aquifer system
    please try to keep up
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    problem is apdst, we are not discussing green technology
    this thread is about something quite opposite
    dirty **** we do not need in our nation's aquifer system
    please try to keep up
    Ahhhh! So, information that blows you point out of the water is suddenly off-limits. Got it, my friend.

    Since you want to talking keeping our aquifers--which nothing to do with the GOM--why do you willfully ignore a solar panel company that released toxic chemicals into the aquifer system and walked off? Where's you condemnation of that?

    Is it really about the environment, justabubba, or is it just about politics?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    As of this moment, twice as many want it as don't. Let's build it. We could call it the Obamaline and paint it red. He gets a real red line, and we get some oil to mess around with. It's a win-win.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    As of this moment, twice as many want it as don't. Let's build it. We could call it the Obamaline and paint it red. He gets a real red line, and we get some oil to mess around with. It's a win-win.
    let's don't and say we did
    what we get is an oily mess
    and unpotable water
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Keystone is in red states--let it be
    Physics is Phun

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