View Poll Results: Should we build Keysone oil pipeline?

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  • yes - infrastructure is a wise investment

    15 53.57%
  • yes: but only because the oil trains are so dangerous

    2 7.14%
  • no: rely on the oil trains, Keystone has it's own problem

    4 14.29%
  • no: Keystone and oil pipelines are not needed

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No one ever talks about the millions of batteries containing toxic chemicals that will need to be disposed of with millions of electric cars. Renewable nutters think it's a panacea.
    That's easy.

    Plasma Induction or thermodepolymerization. Both will take care of the problem quite nicely.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    **** up what aquifers? Is this fear monhering, or do you have credible evidence to support your claim?
    yes, if the transCANADA pipeline were so environmentally safe it would be built across CANADA
    the canadians don't want the environmental risk
    neither should the USA
    read this and weep: Keystone XL pipeline may threaten aquifer that irrigates much of the central U.S. - The Washington Post
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, if the transCANADA pipeline were so environmentally safe it would be built across CANADA
    the canadians don't want the environmental risk
    neither should the USA
    read this and weep: Keystone XL pipeline may threaten aquifer that irrigates much of the central U.S. - The Washington Post
    Canada has more enviro-idiots than the US does. That being said, you usually build the pipeline from the source, not through the source.

    Bottomline: the oil is getting shipped either way, like it, or not.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?


    I would support the building of the keystone pipeline if they were not using eminent domain to do it. But since they are using eminent domain I will oppose construction of the pipeline and I could care less what reasons Obama and other enviro-wennies use to block it's construction as long as they are successful in blocking it's construction.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, if the transCANADA pipeline were so environmentally safe it would be built across CANADA
    the canadians don't want the environmental risk
    neither should the USA
    read this and weep: Keystone XL pipeline may threaten aquifer that irrigates much of the central U.S. - The Washington Post
    The Enbridge 'Northern Gateway' route across British Columbia to Kitimat just got federal approval. It'll take awhile to win hearts and minds along the route but it looks like a go. Also, there's interest in a MacKenzie River route to Tuktoyaktuk on the Arctic. With the expanding ice-free season and access to both Asia and Europe, it might yet be an option.
    There's lots of pipelines in Canada. The Trans-Mountain line to Vancouver is about to be doubled in capacity, if it can pass environmental review (and it probably will).
    But yes, there's a lot of resistance. Especially involving unresolved First Nations disputes, which are taken seriously here.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Its an export pipeline, the oil won't even stay in the us.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's easy.

    Plasma Induction or thermodepolymerization. Both will take care of the problem quite nicely.
    I wonder how much energy those consume.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wonder how much energy those consume.
    Thermodepolymerization is a net positive when you add back heat capture.

    Plasma Induction is negative on start up, but you produce electricity, inert glass slag and you get rid of waste. We should replace every landfill and incinerator with plasma induction waste management.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bottomline: the oil is getting shipped either way, like it, or not.
    This is one of the few things you've gotten right here. It's going to get built and the environmental damage risk from routing in through to the pacific through Alaska and the Western Canadian provinces is significantly higher then the current planned route.

    However, TransCanada has a shotty reputation and has a history of spills, bad construction, shoddy workmanship so on and so forth.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Its an export pipeline, the oil won't even stay in the us.
    Oil is largely fungible anyways.

    FYI, refined oil products are the #1 export of America
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