View Poll Results: Should we build Keysone oil pipeline?

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  • yes - infrastructure is a wise investment

    15 53.57%
  • yes: but only because the oil trains are so dangerous

    2 7.14%
  • no: rely on the oil trains, Keystone has it's own problem

    4 14.29%
  • no: Keystone and oil pipelines are not needed

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Not for long...how many jobs are there in transorting it now, without the pipeline?
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    Pipeline construction doesn't create jobs?
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The sooner we switch to 100% Renewable Energy, the better. Kick the old oily drug habit. It's just a big monopoly anyway. Not patriotic, not beneficial, not healthy, not good for the planet.
    I agree we should move away from organic hydrocarbon fuels,
    the problem is, only one technology is capable of filling the gap right now,
    and that is man made hydrocarbons.
    All of the other technologies, like electric cars and the like, do not have enough
    energy density to grow and transport the food that keeps everyone alive.
    For home electric use, we do have a lot of room to improve,
    and we should work in that direction.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Not for long...how many jobs are there in transorting it now, without the pipeline?
    I know people who don't do anything but pipeline work. Each job is temporary, but it's like road construction, the hands move on to another job. I'm on a pipeline job, now and I'm grateful for it, because this time of the year is historically slow.

    You can build all the pipelines you want, but you're still going to need trucks and trains. Pipelines are't kill jobs, IMO.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I agree we should move away from organic hydrocarbon fuels,
    the problem is, only one technology is capable of filling the gap right now,
    and that is man made hydrocarbons.
    All of the other technologies, like electric cars and the like, do not have enough
    energy density to grow and transport the food that keeps everyone alive.
    For home electric use, we do have a lot of room to improve,
    and we should work in that direction.
    No one ever talks about the millions of batteries containing toxic chemicals that will need to be disposed of with millions of electric cars. Renewable nutters think it's a panacea.
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No one ever talks about the millions of batteries containing toxic chemicals that will need to be disposed of with millions of electric cars. Renewable nutters think it's a panacea.
    That's what New Jersey is for.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No one ever talks about the millions of batteries containing toxic chemicals that will need to be disposed of with millions of electric cars. Renewable nutters think it's a panacea.
    Greetings, American.

    You have doubtless received many kudos on your tag line...I would like to add mine to that crowd! How did Madison know that the ACA would come along hundreds of years after his death, though? Humans will be humans if they have an agenda?

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, American.

    You have doubtless received many kudos on your tag line...I would like to add mine to that crowd! How did Madison know that the ACA would come along hundreds of years after his death, though? Humans will be humans if they have an agenda?
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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No one ever talks about the millions of batteries containing toxic chemicals that will need to be disposed of with millions of electric cars. Renewable nutters think it's a panacea.
    Nickel hydride batteries use up electrolytes not plate. Many of the old Edison batteries from the early 1900s are still in use. Lead acid batteries use up the plates and create lots of waste, not so with nickel hydride.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Nickel hydride batteries use up electrolytes not plate. Many of the old Edison batteries from the early 1900s are still in use. Lead acid batteries use up the plates and create lots of waste, not so with nickel hydride.
    The energy density is the problem with batteries.
    Energy density - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    There is no practical way to run a tractor, long haul truck, or airliner on batteries.
    I suppose we could create an electrical highway, where the power is metered at the
    vehicle, but that would take years to develop into something useful.

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    Re: Should ew build Keystone pipeline to replace crude oil trians?

    Huh?

    The keystone should be built because the alternative path is worse. It's going to be built, the question is what do we risk, many of the salmon fisheries of Alaska, or a big watershed of the Midwest? Both are bad options, but the Midwest is easier to clean up than the Canadian and Alaskan areas.

    We can fix the train issue by having better containment. Nuclear waste containers can take a direct train hit and shrug it off. It's just that it's expensive.
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