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Do you reject evolution?

Do you reject evolution?

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TheNextEra said:
Who says it is is random and not by some design? The idea of evolution is about change and adaptation.
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Technically it all boils down to the lowly "selfish gene". Once you really start learning about evolution you realize that biology is easily the most fascinating branch of modern science. The scientific explanations for why we are here, are far more awe inspiring than anything any religion has ever came up with regarding creation.
 
TheNextEra said:
I didn't say God(s) design had to be guided necessarily. If I build an ant farm, I have designed the box, put the ants in, and the sand. However, what THEY create afterwords and what happens to them is not necessarily MY design.
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And if you were, in fact, divine (which I assume you are not), you could "know" what would happen after you designed the box and put the ants in.
 
TheNextEra said:
You'll have to show me where the foundation is 100% randomness. What I have read and seen evolution is about change and adaptation.
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You don't understand evolution. Great.
 
rocket88 said:
And if you were, in fact, divine (which I assume you are not), you could "know" what would happen after you designed the box and put the ants in.
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Possibly, but that is assuming a divine has ultimate knowledge or isn't flawed. One of the reasons I am agnostic is I can see a divine being different things and I don't subscribe to one specific ideology of a divine.

For all I know there could be a God with divine powers that is retarded.
 
ecofarm said:
I'll bite. What, who and how. Ancient aliens?
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One does not "believe" in evolution, you either accept it as fact, or you are ignorant to science.
 
TheNextEra said:
So you can't provide proof to back up your claims. Great.
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What do you think the change produced in evolution is driven by?

1. Random mutations.
2. Natural selection.

That's it. Adaption is passive, not active. The environment determines the change, not the organism. Using any other explanation for 1. (above) is NOT a belief in evolution.
 
ecofarm said:
What do you think the change produced in evolution is driven by?

1. Random mutations.
2. Natural selection.

That's it. Adaption is passive, not active. The environment determines the change, not the organism. Using any other explanation for 1. (above) is NOT a belief in evolution.
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Definition of evolution:

ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/
noun
noun: evolution; plural noun: evolutions1. the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
synonyms: Darwinism, natural selection More"his interest in evolution"

2. the gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"
synonyms: development, advancement, growth, rise, progress, expansion, unfolding; More
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Where in there does it say ONLY randomness? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

You lose. Now, show me your proof, sinec I provided proof of mine, otherwise you're dismissed.
 
TheNextEra said:
You'll have to show me where the foundation is 100% randomness. What I have read and seen evolution is about change and adaptation.
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The genetic mutations at the gene level are random. The likelihood that those genetic mutations are preserved in future generations is related to whether they increase the ability of a species to compete in its environment or not. That is the most basic explanation, but some mutations / traits are simply vestigial, and may have served a purpose in a previous species but serve no purpose today. For example, you get goose bumps when you are cold or scared because at one time we were covered with hair, and that reaction would have stood our body hair on end just like you see other animals do when they are cold or afraid.

The way evolution works would be like if you had a prop plane and you had to covert that to a jet by simply adding equipment to the prop plane rather than scraping and replacing parts. You could leave some parts on as unused, but you could not ever scrap and replace anything. Thus we get goose bumps even though we no longer have fir, a woman's uterus is designed for species walking on all fours, and so on.
 
Dibbler said:
Absolutely reject the theory of evolution.

There is no proof of it, nowhere has it been observed.
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What religion are you?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The genetic mutations at the gene level are random.
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Again, that is an assumption. Not fact. They APPEAR random maybe to you and others. That doesn't mean there isn't ANY design in them.
 
TheNextEra said:
Who says it is is random and not by some design? The idea of evolution is about change and adaptation.
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The change can be random, yet the success/failure of that change not be random. The random flora and fauna differ significantly among different habitats.
 
TheNextEra said:
Definition of evolution:

Where in there does it say ONLY randomness? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

You lose. Now, show me your proof, sinec I provided proof of mine, otherwise you're dismissed.
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Hold crap, you really don't understand evolution. How embarrassing.
 
The very basis of evolution is chance. It is easy to think of a giraffe growing a longer neck because it is trying to reach higher in the tree for leafs but it doesnt, it just happens that baby giraffes that completely by chance have a slightly longer neck have a slightly better chance for survival...and over millions of years...
TheNextEra said:
Definition of evolution:



Where in there does it say ONLY randomness? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

You lose. Now, show me your proof, sinec I provided proof of mine, otherwise you're dismissed.
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ecofarm said:
Hold crap, you really don't understand evolution. How embarrassing.
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Then it should be easy to for you to provide proof countering what I said. So far all you've done is proivide NOTHING.
 
TheNextEra said:
Then it should be easy to for you to provide proof countering what I said. So far all you've done is proivide NOTHING.
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Gene mutation (the driving mechanism of evolution) is totally random. Not the whole thing. After the mutation takes place, those beneficial in a particular environment are kept - that's not random. But the driving mechanism is 100% random.
 
mak2 said:
The very basis of evolution is chance. It is easy to think of a giraffe growing a longer neck because it is trying to reach higher in the tree for leafs but it doesnt, it just happens that baby giraffes that completely by chance have a slightly longer neck have a slightly better chance for survival...and over millions of years...
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So you can prove NONE of it is by design?
 
ecofarm said:
Gene mutation (the driving mechanism of evolution) is totally random. Not the whole thing. After the mutation takes place, those beneficial in a particular environment are kept - that's not random. But the driving mechanism is 100% random.
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It appears random, but it can be by design. You cannot prove otherwise.
 
mak2 said:
The very basis of evolution is chance. It is easy to think of a giraffe growing a longer neck because it is trying to reach higher in the tree for leafs but it doesn't, it just happens that baby giraffes that completely by chance have a slightly longer neck have a slightly better chance for survival...and over millions of years...
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That's probably the best explanation I've heard for how macro can work. But so many things have to work I mean... like fish coming out of water, what possess them to come out of the water? How in the world does one be able to randomly develop the ability to breathe oxygen? It's not like there are humans being born today with the ability to breathe underwater... not that I know anyways.
 
TheNextEra said:
It appears random, but it can be by design. You cannot prove otherwise.
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So now you do accept that evolution holds the driving mechanism to be totally random?


1. Gene mutation - 100% random.
2. Adaption - a function of the environment, not the organism.

That's it. There's nothing more.
 
Actually I was just talking about the atheistic scientific view. I am Christian and believe evolution is how God did it. If you have ever had a philosophy 101 class you quit using the word prove, unless you are a mathmatician.
TheNextEra said:
So you can prove NONE of it is by design?
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ecofarm said:
So now you do accept that evolution holds the driving mechanism to be totally random?
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No, I hold it APPEARS to be random, however, it COULD be by design as well.
 
mak2 said:
Actually I was just talking about the atheistic scientific view. I am Christian and believe evolution is how God did it. If you have ever had a philosophy 101 class you quit using the word prove, unless you are a mathmatician.
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I only use the words prove when others use their description definitively as fact.
 
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