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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Correct, so you cannot say it IS random, only that it APPEARS to be or has a good probability to be. See, was that so hard?
    Because we are discussing two different things. I am presenting the science behind the issue, you are throwing in religion / philosophy. The two don't mix. Anyway, as much as I would like to continue this discussion, I need to get a run in.

    As a side note, humans have evolved to be quite possibly the best long distance runners in the entire animal kingdom due to adaptions we have at chasing prey on the African Savanna. Given enough distance, a well trained endurance runner can out run a dog, a horse, any large predator, or any migratory animal that lives on land. We cool ourselves, supply glycogen to our slow twitch muscle fibers, and run at slow speeds more efficiently than just about any other animal. Almost all of our physical characteristics are adapted to running long distances and cooling ourselves as we do so. As sprinters though, we are quite mediocre.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Do I reject micro-evolution. No.

    Do I reject macro-evolution. Yes.
    You reject evolution on geological timescales but accept evolution that occurs on the scale of a lifespan?

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Thanks. I'm here trying to describe "they would be different things!". I think you put it concisely.
    Yes. Directed mutation would result in elaborate and ostentatious intelligent design, whereas random mutation is an integral part of the very definition of evolution. Just as you said, actually :-)

    Furthermore, it would be intelligent design which was made to SEEM like evolution. A silly idea, as a consequence, unless you postulate a capricious god.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I beleive God did set it in motion, I dont beleive God just ****s with us, and I beleive evolution occured exactly how science describes it...
    A deist that rejects literal creation?

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Those who indulge in creationist claptrap love to use these terms, but he only real difference between the two lies in terms of the amount of time involved. They describe the same process.
    Yes but one is a proven scientific fact, while the other is a theory full of holes.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    I do not reject evolution nor do I reject intelligent design.

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2;1062732489 ............... I have learned not to confuse faith with science. Anytime there is a conflict there between science and the Bible there is just [B
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False. Random mutation and thus adaptation with the environment has been proven and fits fine with Darwin's primary claims.

    You're inventing this conflict between theory and knowledge.
    You mean a new theory supports the old theory. You're claiming that random mutation is a fact, and that it fits the theory, and I agree with the notable exception that random mutation may only appear to be random. I'm no wizard at this stuff, so maybe you can correct me with some evidence - i.e., some good reading.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    He doesn't need to provide proof. Directed mutation and random mutation are logically distinct. It is logically impossible for both to operate on the same process simultaneously
    Evolution is directed by the rules of survival of the fittest. Under a given set of conditions mutations are not neutral, some are beneficial and most are not. Thus evolution is directed by prevailing conditions toward an accretion of beneficial adaptations. Although it's not clear exactly what conditions led apes to evolve toward losing their hair and their upper body strength and developing so much brain power that politics seems like a worthy preoccupation. There are many interesting questions about evolution that we'll probably never know the answers to, but one thing is certain: Everyone alive today is the result of an unbroken line of successful procreation stretching back to the beginning of life on earth. From the standpoint of evolution and biology, anything that departs from the continuance of that line is failure.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Obviously. I said I would not go into my life story so, to make it short, that is how I maintain my faith.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A deist that rejects literal creation?
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Yes but one is a proven scientific fact, while the other is a theory full of holes.
    A theory full of holes!

    haha That's evolution denial.

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