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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    When you claim something IS random, you are in fact making an assumption yourself in the affirmitive. Science is not absolute. If you were to claim it APPEARS random, then I would agree with you, however when you say it IS random, you are making an affirmative. Kinda like when an atheist says 'There is NO god" there are in fact making an unprovable assumption as well.
    Science is about probability. The probability that the genetic mutations that provide the initial catalysts are random is infinitely higher than the probability that they occur due to some supernatural power. In science that is all that matters. It doesn't mean that God being behind it is impossible, it simply means from a scientific perspective for all intents and purposes it is statistically impossible that those changes are not random.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, you are simply incorrect
    You're claiming to believe in engineering but not physics! It's nonsense. Evolution DOES NOT EXIST without random mutation.


    One can claim that God knew single cell organisms would result in people, but one cannot claim that God planned every gene mutation and it was RANDOM.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    "Technically," it's not? How's that? Who says so?
    Modern science says so. Evolution does not need a supernatural guide. No where in any peer reviewed research or work done on evolution and its mechanisms, is there any supernatural entity. If one chooses to believe in theistic evolution, then they certainly can do so, but thats not evolution, that is simply a philosophy about it.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Nope I don't reject evolution.

    It may well need to be tweaked, like all good theories, but I believe it the correct explanation for how life evolves.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes or No?

    No, I do not reject evolution.
    Do I reject micro-evolution. No.

    Do I reject macro-evolution. Yes.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're claiming to believe in engineering but not physics! It's nonsense. Evolution DOES NOT EXIST without random mutation.


    One can claim that God knew single cell organisms would result in people, but one cannot claim that God planned every gene mutation and it was RANDOM.
    Yet you still have not provided ANYTHING to prove your claims. Pathetic. You're dismissed.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Or a better question -- could this sort of mindless dogmatism actually serve a purpose in terms of survival of the species?

    I mean, since we are a social animal devoid of proper offensive weaponry by way of fangs or claws, and are slow, soft-bodied creatures lacking any sort of defensive capabilities, the only advantage we have is our ability to cooperate with each other for a common purpose. In that, perhaps we are hardwired towards shared belief to some degree, and while his may be an extreme expression of such and lacking in intelligence, it could actually reveal one of those survival traits that are a product of evolution.
    I'm not so sure Alpha and other 'pack positions' are genetic. I would say that genes carry an inclination one way or another, but socialization is the larger factor.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Computers can do random, but I cant quite get my head around an all knowing God creating a truly random system. There are some things above my pay grade.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    To what end would god create an illusion of random mutation and natural selection? To **** with us?
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Science is about probability. The probability that the genetic mutations that provide the initial catalysts are random is infinitely higher than the probability that they occur due to some supernatural power. In science that is all that matters. It doesn't mean that God being behind it is impossible, it simply means from a scientific perspective for all intents and purposes it is statistically impossible that those changes are not random.
    Correct, so you cannot say it IS random, only that it APPEARS to be or has a good probability to be. See, was that so hard?

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Computers can do random, but I cant quite get my head around an all knowing God creating a truly random system. There are some things above my pay grade.
    I didn't say god created a random system. Read my question in the context in which it appears.
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