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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense. Mutations are random. They are then selected by the environment.

    We've been through this twice already:

    1. Random mutations
    2. Adaption/selection by the environment


    Without that, one cannot understand evolution.


    Evolution 101: Mutation Is Not "Directed"
    Even your own link states that all the tests that have been done can be interpreted in several different ways. In otherwords they just don't know for sure.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Argue with the university of Berk and every other biological scientist. Spare me your personal definition of random.
    So all those at the University of Berkley and all biological scientists know everything and take every single thing into account? Yeah, right.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So all those at the University of Berkley and all biological scientists know everything and take every single thing into account? Yeah, right.
    Tell them all to stop using the word random, every university in the Western world. Why are you on about this?

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I would not go that far. Chimps are adapted to living in forests, we are adapted to living on the open savanna. Upper body strength is essential to survival in equatorial rain forests where you spend the vast majority of your life living and hunting in the canopy. Endurance, the ability to cool your body efficiently, and being able to run for extremely long distances is essential to survival on the open savanna. Thus since our ancestors adapted to life on the savanna, we are excellent long distance runners, can cool ourselves quite efficiently due to our body shape and our ability to sweat profusely, yet have comparably little upper body strength as we had little use for climbing. In contrast chimps and bonobos have excellent upper body strength, a much higher proportion of their muscle fibers are fast twitch, and are physically much stronger because they are adapted to life in the tropical forest canopy. However, they don't cool themselves as efficiently, and they do not have as much endurance as running long distances is not as desirable of a trait living in forests.

    The initial catalyst was the creation of the rift valley seperating our shared ancestor into two groups each living in their own ecological islands (one in the forest, the other savanna). Technically, chimps and bonobos are more evolved than we are as they have experienced a greater number of genetic adaptions since separating from our shared ancestor than we have.

    Our greater intelligence arises from adapting to the harsh conditions of the savanna as well where collaboration in hunting and gathering was more beneficial, game was far more dispersed, and more knowledge had to be passed down between generations as to where game could be found, tool use, location of water during the dry season and so on.
    Unless you own a time machine I'd have to say that this is all speculation. Plausible and interesting, but speculation nontheless.

    I like the water ape theory -- we lost all of our body hair because we were going into the water to fish and whatnot all the time, we have a lot of body fat compared to other primates for the same reason, for insulation in the water, and we have the down turned noses to keep the water out (as some water loving primates do today). Plus, human babies put into water automatically hold their breaths, a reflex other primates don't have. Primates trying to survival glacial periods would find fishing in tropical latitudes to be one of the few reliable sources of food.

    Not a shred of direct evidence for any of it, though. No traces of coastal water hominids have ever been found. It's just one of a number of speculations about human evolution.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes or No?




    No, I do not reject evolution.
    I literally cannot, I am the product of it.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's a theory that explains a lot of facts. Perhaps that's what you mean.
    That's what theories do in science. One more step and you're there.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Only an uneducated idiot rejects the best supported scientific theory there is.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    It seems a bit amazing to me that anyone would actually reject evolution.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What is the chemical / physical barrier that prevents speciation? Hint: There is not one. You should read The Greatest Show On Earth. I think you will find that science know a lot more about evolution and speciation than you might think it does.

    The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution: Richard Dawkins: Amazon.com: Books
    I understand what speciation is and how it's generally understood by evolutionary biologists - moreover, I think there is sufficient evidence for speciation - albeit within the bounds of design. But I do not believe in a LUCA, that there is a singular source for all life back to which we can all trace our genesis (which source, which genesis itself becomes a major problem for the theorists who postulate a LUCA), and that via purely random processes to end up the beings we are today. I simply don't share that belief; and it IS a belief, albeit one extended to its logical extreme from modern science. Again, I believe there is evidence for a degree of evolution, but within certain design parameters. Nothing more. I do not believe humans and oak trees are descendants of some LUCA.

    Moreover, I think there is a very strong, concerted effort to take what we know today, what we've observed, and make it somehow "prove" that there is no design to our being. Eco properly identified that as the issue a couple of posts above, that the ultimate question here is whether or not we exist and evolve as a part of a random process or by intelligent design and that to accept the one is to reject the other.

    Random evolution, to the absolute exclusion of intelligent design hasn't been proven - merely postulated, and I don't believe it will, or can be proven. I go so far as to think that the postulation is itself more a factor of desire that there BE no intelligent design as much as it is a desire to understand the processes in general. I think humans and oak trees are the product of intelligent design, not some random process that evolved beyond a certain infinitude of probability to yield... us, beings that are now engaged in a debate, defending both sides of the singular issue - intelligent design, or random event.

    I DO believe random events can occur within the confines of intelligent design. I'm not an absolute determinist. But I do believe in intelligent design.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    I'm sorry, but a monkey COULD jump out of my arse next week . . . I don't think it is going to happen, but it COULD. If it is intelligent design by God's hand . . . it sure took him a long time to get us right. You'd think an entity so all encompassing and infallible wouldn't have needed hundreds of thousands of years to get us to the point of modern humans.
    You're measuring God in human terms when you discuss time. I agree it would be impossible for us to do otherwise, as long as we're measuring, but the act itself is a fruitless endeavor if God is a consideration.

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