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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Its one and the same. No matter where you go there is a constant environmental effect going on which affects genes and molecules. That includes when molecules are being replicated. As I said, "random" is not really random. We just are not advanced enough to understand everything thats going on.
    Yes, I would agree with that, in that nothing is ever random, but not being random does not mean its divinely directed either.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is no randomness in any mutations. Mutations are a result of environment.
    Nonsense. Mutations are random. They are then selected by the environment.

    We've been through this twice already:

    1. Random mutations
    2. Adaption/selection by the environment


    Without that, one cannot understand evolution.

    The mechanisms of evolution—like natural selection and genetic drift—work with the random variation generated by mutation.
    Evolution 101: Mutation Is Not "Directed"
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The more we discover, the more we find that we really don't know much!

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    True, and there is no guarantee that I will even exist tomorrow or reach my destination this afternoon in spite of all evidence to the contrary. I'll be happy to see 2013 expire with the hope 2014 will be a better year for all. I doubt I'll be awake at midnight, but I'll rest in the belief it'll arrive just fine, and I welcome it. I'm a real party pooper when it comes to late nights - even this one.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense. Mutations are random. They are then selected by the environment.

    We've been through this twice already:

    1. Random mutations
    2. Adaption/selection by the environment


    Without that, one cannot understand evolution.
    Well technically while for all intents and purposes mutations at the molecular level are random, they are the result of chemical and physical reactions in the molecular environment those dna molecules are being replicated in, thus technically they don't just happen on their own in a vacuum. That all said, there is certainly no evidence that they are being directed in anyway by any supreme being.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, I would agree with that, in that nothing is ever random, but not being random does not mean its divinely directed either.
    Nor does it mean that it is not divine. But I wasn't basing my arguement on intelligent design or godly intervention so thats really irrelevent. My arguement was simply about ecofarms comment on "random" and evolution.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Well technically while for all intents and purposes mutations are the molecular level are random, they are the result of chemical and physical reactions in the molecular environment those dna molecules are being replicated in, thus technically they don't just happen on their own in a vacuum. That all said, there is certainly no evidence that they are being directed in anyway by any supreme being.
    The mutations are random. All evidence, logic and reason say such.

    I can't believe some people don't know that. See Uni. Berk citation above.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nor does it mean that it is not divine. But I wasn't basing my arguement on intelligent design or godly intervention so thats really irrelevent. My arguement was simply about ecofarms comment on "random" and evolution.

    Argue with the university of Berk and every other biological scientist. Spare me your personal definition of random.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    On a pragmatic level the difference between theory, as you make it out, and fact is negligible. When making use of knowledge with respect to evolution, it is abjectly foolish to treat evolution as anything but truth. It has proven dizzyingly that useful to do so.

    Put another way, we are better off treating it as true than treating it as false, and nothing of high value is served by treating it as if it were somewhere in between.
    To say it's a theory leaves open the possiblity of alternatives and improvements, which is important.

    I'm sure that many considered Newton's theory of gravitation to be fact until Einstein came along. The respective theories mostly explain the same facts but do so with a very different underlying model and with very different implications for special situations.

    Heisenburg's theory of how a fission bomb works was totally wrong but because of his stature in the German physics community at the time others were obliged to treat it as fact. Thus the Nazis failed to build an atomic bomb. Meanwhile, at Los Alamos some physicist you never heard of got it right and calculated the right amount of U[235] to pack into a bomb.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Evolution is both a theory and a fact to those who understand the meaning of the terms. Those ignorant of the science deny this.
    It's a theory that explains a lot of facts. Perhaps that's what you mean.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    and it is consistant with related fields etc. and it works.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's a theory that explains a lot of facts. Perhaps that's what you mean.
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