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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No, Piltdown man is junk science, not real science. Fraudsters took a human skull, pieced it with an orangutan jaw bone, and claimed it was the "missing link".

    It's no different than what infamous fraudsters such as Ancel Keyes and Michael Mann have done to corrupt science and get rich.
    Whats your point?
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The Piltdown hoax was exposed in 1953, holy hell man when and where did you go to school?

    Evolution is absolutely crucial as the underlying scientific theory that unifies virtually all biological/life sciences. If we want budding biologists, medical researchers, and chemists we need to teach a foundational understanding in evolution. Not to mention fostering a broad understanding of scientific inquiry and the world we live in.
    I like how error is now called hoax. Piltman was scientific fact for 40 yrs. I wonder how many more errors, I mean, hoaxes are involved with macroevolution. IMHO since microevolution is empirically verifiable we should stick to teaching that.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanUNC View Post
    Whats your point?
    Just a heads up to make others more aware.

    We should not encourage the corruption of science, especially when citizen taxpayer money is in the mix because it is extremely detrimental to society.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is no randomness in any mutations. Mutations are a result of environment.
    The genetic mutations as the molecular level are indeed random. Whether those mutations are beneficial or not and thus get passed down to future generations are dictated by the environment a species is in. I think they problem is you are arguing two different things. Ecofarm is talking about the initial minute genetic changes that result from random molecular changes as dna molecules are replicated. You are talking about adaption that occurs in terms of how well a species competes with others in its environment. That is what determines whether those random molecular changes are passed on to subsequent generations or not. Adaption is not random, but genetic mutations at the molecular level are.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I think I figured out the distinction you are trying to make, and I should have seen it sooner because I was expecting someone to show up with this off topic distinction.

    Yes, I know mutations that are kept are directed by prevailing conditions. But this doesn't address the point. The point being that before prevailing conditions act upon an organism with a mutation, the change that occurred in the organism was a random occurrence. The further point being that it was not directed by some outside intelligence.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Just a heads up to make others more aware.

    We should not encourage the corruption of science, especially when citizen taxpayer money is in the mix.
    What?

    This has nothing to do with evolution.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    I like how error is now called hoax. Piltman was scientific fact for 40 yrs. I wonder how many more errors, I mean, hoaxes are involved with macroevolution. IMHO since microevolution is empirically verifiable we should stick to teaching that.
    The terms macroevolution and microevolution are semantic designations used by creationists and their ID cousins to argue against evolution. To a biologist it is simply evolution. Every biological process ultimately adheres to the laws of physics and chemistry. There is no chemical or physical law that prevents speciation from occurring. In fact, speciation is nothing more than a human construct of taxonomy. What you term as "macroevolution" is nothing more than what you term as "microevolution" over more generations. By the way, this has been observed in science, and the evidence for it is throughout our genome.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, many on here would do well to read a book like this: The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution: Richard Dawkins: Amazon.com: Books

    You would find that many of the questions you have about evolution have long been addressed with mountains of empirical evidence by modern science.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The genetic mutations as the molecular level are indeed random. Whether those mutations are beneficial or not and thus get passed down to future generations are dictated by the environment a species is in. I think they problem is you are arguing two different things. Ecofarm is talking about the initial minute genetic changes that result from random molecular changes as dna molecules are replicated. You are talking about adaption that occurs in terms of how well a species competes with others in its environment. That is what determines whether those random molecular changes are passed on to subsequent generations or not. Adaption is not random, but genetic mutations at the molecular level are.
    Its one and the same. No matter where you go there is a constant environmental effect going on which affects genes and molecules. That includes when molecules are being replicated. As I said, "random" is not really random. We just are not advanced enough to understand everything thats going on.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    What's interesting about evolution is that some single celled organisms reacted to outside stimuli (light, water, temperature, sound, odor, proteins) to become more organized, develop senses and adapt to their environment. But to what purpose does their instinct to survive and perpetuate come from?

    Humans, being one of the most complicated organisms to evolve out the abundant variety, exist as a result of biochemical activity on a sphere of minerals. Could the universal forces that spin materials in space into denser objects have some leftover force imbued within earths biological process that create the urge to exist?
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Sal Khan in this video describes how I view evolution as it relates to a more grand, elegant designer.


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