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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Those who indulge in creationist claptrap love to use these terms, but he only real difference between the two lies in terms of the amount of time involved. They describe the same process.
    Evolution is theory, not fact. It will always be theory because we can't go back and recreate the experiment that resulted in the origination of the species.

    This is not to dismiss the theory of evolution, which is a very powerful and very well accepted theory that provides predictive and explanatory power with which to organize much data in biology and paleontology. Nevertheless, there are some pretty profound gaps in the fossile record, in some cases spanning hundreds of millions of years. It's unlikely we are ever going to get a full picture of what happened other than to freely speculate about it. However, there is enough of a record to be able to regard the theory of evolution as reliable and reasonable.

    To say that evolution is theory does not provide enough wiggle room for people to regard the Biblical story of creation as literally true. The Biblical story must be understood in other terms.

    People who insist that evolution is fact and demand that others see it that way are ignorant of the science and apparently don't understand the terms "theory" and "fact".

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No one knows anything. Yes. Great argument. Given that we know nothing... science is irrelevant, meaningless, there is no proof of anything. Who can we turn to? Oh, I know... Jesus!
    I didn't say that. You did. We do know things to be absolutely true. Random theory in evolution isn't one of them, even though the evidence at this point suggests that it may be correct. I asked for some supporting literature for your contention from you...Something in layman's language would be especially nice...

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Who rejects evolution? Wait! I know, the blind fundamental religious of course!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Usually the question "Do you believe in evolution" or in this case "Do you reject Evolution" I think has different meanings to different people.

    If you take the question literally, it would be foolish for ANYONE to say that evolution doesn't exist because we have record of it and we have proof.

    Now to some the question might mean "Did humans evolve from apes". Now that is a different story. I think some people think it means this question instead of the literal question.
    The ones who have a problem with evolving from apes I have a solution. Instead of projecting the face of an ape which some may find despicable I propose the face of that of the fish instead.

    "Before ape we was all a fish!" I say. There, happy?!
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I didn't say that. You did. We do know things to be absolutely true. Random theory in evolution isn't one of them, even though the evidence at this point suggests that it may be correct. I asked for some supporting literature for your contention from you...Something in layman's language would be especially nice...

    We observe random mutations. Anything else is baseless speculation.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    I don't reject the theory of evolution, but I also think there is no practical reason to teach it in public schools.

    For example, when I was in 7th grade they had a big poster on the wall that shows a modern chimpanzee evolving into Piltdown man and then into a modern human.

    And the govenment says that our 7th grade public school science teacher had to feed us that ridiculous BS.

    Most of us kids knew it was nothing but BS.

    It was so ridiculous that me and my classmates made up Planet of the Apes names for each other. The teacher was DR. Saius. My best girlfriend was Zira and I was Cornelius, etc..

    I got suspended from school for jumping up on the table and hooting like a chimpanzee while pointing to the evolution of man poster. I got sent to the principal's office.

    About 5 or 10 minutes later a bunch of other kids joined me. From what I heard they all started acting like monkeys.

    Teaching human evolution should just be outlawed in science classes. It's a huge waste of time/money.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Evolution is theory, not fact. It will always be theory because we can't go back and recreate the experiment that resulted in the origination of the species.

    This is not to dismiss the theory of evolution, which is a very powerful and very well accepted theory that provides predictive and explanatory power with which to organize much data in biology and paleontology. Nevertheless, there are some pretty profound gaps in the fossile record, in some cases spanning hundreds of millions of years. It's unlikely we are ever going to get a full picture of what happened other than to freely speculate about it. However, there is enough of a record to be able to regard the theory of evolution as reliable and reasonable.

    To say that evolution is theory does not provide enough wiggle room for people to regard the Biblical story of creation as literally true. The Biblical story must be understood in other terms.

    People who insist that evolution is fact and demand that others see it that way are ignorant of the science and apparently don't understand the terms "theory" and "fact".
    On a pragmatic level the difference between theory, as you make it out, and fact is negligible. When making use of knowledge with respect to evolution, it is abjectly foolish to treat evolution as anything but truth. It has proven dizzyingly that useful to do so.

    Put another way, we are better off treating it as true than treating it as false, and nothing of high value is served by treating it as if it were somewhere in between.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    It's uhhh, science.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I don't reject the theory of evolution, but I also think there is no practical reason to teach it in public schools.

    For example, when I was in 7th grade they had a big poster on the wall that shows a modern chimpanzee evolving into Piltdown man and then into a modern human.

    And the govenment says that our 7th grade public school science teacher had to feed us that ridiculous BS.

    Most of us kids knew it was nothing but BS.

    It was so ridiculous that me and my classmates made up Planet of the Apes names for each other. The teacher was DR. Saius. My best girlfriend was Zira and I was Cornelius, etc..

    I got suspended from school for jumping up on the table and hooting like a chimpanzee while pointing to the evolution of man poster. I got sent to the principal's office.

    About 5 or 10 minutes later a bunch of other kids joined me. From what I heard they all started acting like monkeys.

    Teaching human evolution should just be outlawed in science classes. It's a huge waste of time/money.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We observe random mutations. Anything else is baseless speculation.
    We observe what appears to be random mutations. The constraints of time prevent us from conclusively knowing that they are in fact random. We have learned that just because we don't observe something does not mean that it doesn't exist. It only means we don't see it. When the Hubble was directed toward "empty space" we discovered it wasn't empty at all.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We observe what appears to be random mutations.
    It's all an illusion. Yes, we've already gone over that "argument". It's called nihilism.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It's uhhh, science.
    No, Piltdown man is junk science, not real science. Fraudsters took a human skull, pieced it with an orangutan jaw bone, and claimed it was the "missing link".

    It's no different than what infamous fraudsters such as Ancel Keyes and Michael Mann have done to corrupt science and get rich.
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