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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A deist that rejects literal creation?
    Not that hard to fathom.

    Possibly a higher power (by whatever name you apply) gave a push to what was already happening in that swamp.

    Doesn't mean the higher power had any control over where it went from there......
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Obviously. I said I would not go into my life story so, to make it short, that is how I maintain my faith.
    A non-literal deist is not bad. I'm cool with any metaphysical expression. I'm atheist, believing in a non-individual god constructed of the collective conscious and subconscious of all entities. I believe the only afterlife is influence, I don't believe anything supernatural.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Evolution is directed by the rules of survival of the fittest. Under a given set of conditions mutations are not neutral, some are beneficial and most are not. Thus evolution is directed by prevailing conditions toward an accretion of beneficial adaptations. Although it's not clear exactly what conditions led apes to evolve toward losing their hair and their upper body strength and developing so much brain power that politics seems like a worthy preoccupation. There are many interesting questions about evolution that we'll probably never know the answers to, but one thing is certain: Everyone alive today is the result of an unbroken line of successful procreation stretching back to the beginning of life on earth. From the standpoint of evolution and biology, anything that departs from the continuance of that line is failure.
    Aaaaannnnnnd, what exactly is your point? It looks like we agree but it also looks like you are trying to tell me something that you think I don't agree with.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You mean a new theory supports the old theory. You're claiming that random mutation is a fact, and that it fits the theory, and I agree with the notable exception that random mutation may only appear to be random. I'm no wizard at this stuff, so maybe you can correct me with some evidence - i.e., some good reading.
    So, your objection is the same as another herein: "it COULD be blahblah".

    Yes, it could be. It could be a giant spaghetti ball ruling over all of creation. Everything could be an illusion, we're in the Matrix being used for juice.


    It COULD be anything. You got us.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Not that hard to fathom.
    I was just checking that he meant deist. The post didn't seem entirely clear on that.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Evolution is directed by the rules of survival of the fittest. Under a given set of conditions mutations are not neutral, some are beneficial and most are not. Thus evolution is directed by prevailing conditions toward an accretion of beneficial adaptations. Although it's not clear exactly what conditions led apes to evolve toward losing their hair and their upper body strength and developing so much brain power that politics seems like a worthy preoccupation. There are many interesting questions about evolution that we'll probably never know the answers to, but one thing is certain: Everyone alive today is the result of an unbroken line of successful procreation stretching back to the beginning of life on earth. From the standpoint of evolution and biology, anything that departs from the continuance of that line is failure.
    I think I figured out the distinction you are trying to make, and I should have seen it sooner because I was expecting someone to show up with this off topic distinction.

    Yes, I know mutations that are kept are directed by prevailing conditions. But this doesn't address the point. The point being that before prevailing conditions act upon an organism with a mutation, the change that occurred in the organism was a random occurrence. The further point being that it was not directed by some outside intelligence.
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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So, your objection is the same as another herein: "it COULD be blahblah".

    Yes, it could be. It could be a giant spaghetti ball ruling over all of creation. Everything could be an illusion, we're in the Matrix being used for juice.


    It COULD be anything. You got us.

    Nihilism
    Outside of you, I have no idea who "us" is. You believe random theory in this application. You don't know it. If such a thing exists as absolute knowledge, I requested that you provide it. You certainly don't have to.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Outside of you, I have no idea who "us" is. You believe random theory in this application. You don't know it. If such a thing exists as absolute knowledge, I requested that you provide it. You certainly don't have to.
    You request absolute knowledge; otherwise, you're just gonna invent any crap you like. Ridiculous.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You request absolute knowledge; otherwise, you're just gonna invent any crap you like. Ridiculous.
    Then your contention that my post was "false" is at the very least equally incorrect. In fact, you don't know either.

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    Re: Do you reject evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    In fact, you don't know either.
    No one knows anything. Yes. Great argument. Given that we know nothing... science is irrelevant, meaningless, there is no proof of anything. Who can we turn to? Oh, I know... Jesus!

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