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    Should the minimum wage be raised?[W:30]

    Should the minimum wage be raised?


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    I say yes and it should automatically go up or down depending on the cost living.Businesses can not be trusted to do the right thing and without minimum wage laws individuals would still be getting paid peanuts and living in **** hole shacks like they were in the days of Andrew Carnegie and other robber barons.

    Yes I realize this opinion differs from most conservatives.Most conservatives and republicans in general seem to think companies should be allowed to someone 20 cents an hour if they want to and use the crock of **** excuse "but its a entry level job" to justify it. I know that people should not be paid peanuts when they are doing most of the work while the pay of some fat cat on top keeps going up. Plus with outsourcing, the scum in office trying to pass amnesty and import more workers, automization and colleges flooding the labor market with college grads all those jobs are going to be limited. We will be living in a take what you can get job market which means many people regardless of education or experience will be working at walmarts,mcdonalds and other low wage jobs.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Yes.
    It should be kept up with inflation, which i believe today that would be around $10.40


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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should the minimum wage be raised?


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    It should be repealed.
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    I say yes and it should automatically go up or down depending on the cost living.Businesses can not be trusted to do the right thing and without minimum wage laws individuals would still be getting paid peanuts and living in **** hole shacks like they were in the days of Andrew Carnegie and other robber barons.

    Yes I realize this opinion differs from most conservatives.Most conservatives and republicans in general seem to think companies should be allowed to someone 20 cents an hour if they want to and use the crock of **** excuse "but its a entry level job" to justify it. I know that people should not be paid peanuts when they are doing most of the work while the pay of some fat cat on top keeps going up. Plus with outsourcing, the scum in office trying to pass amnesty and import more workers, automization and colleges flooding the labor market with college grads all those jobs are going to be limited. We will be living in a take what you can get job market which means many people regardless of education or experience will be working at walmarts,mcdonalds and other low wage jobs.
    And what if big business gets government to officially suppress the cost-of-living (the CPI)?

    Imo, the gov't. already suppresses it to keep SS payment increases down and to allow for large federal deficits.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    I believe it should be repealed for several reasons.

    - the 'free' market knows far better how much an employee is worth then government does
    - there is no chance of 'robber barons' paying virtually nothing to employees again as back then there was no government welfare programs. No one is going to work for $4 an hour when they make more then that (in essence) sitting at home in a welfare apartment collecting food stamps and Obamacare. People would have to be paid enough to make it worthwhile to stop sucking on the government teat.
    - the current minimum wage is inflexible, being (federally) the same whether you live in Manhattan or 50 miles outside of Des Moines. Private enterprise would obviously pay each worker according to the local needs if they want people to fill their vacancies.
    - if some stubborn corporations insist on paying people well below the national average, the masses could show their outrage by economically boycotting those corporations until they raise their wages...nothing usually works faster on corporations then mass economic boycott.
    - finally, I simply believe the government has no business telling private businesses what they can pay their employees.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I believe it should be repealed for several reasons.

    - the 'free' market knows far better how much an employee is worth then government does
    Wrong.The free marke could care less what an employee is worth. What they care about is lowest amount they can get away with paying someone to do a job.

    - there is no chance of 'robber barons' paying virtually nothing to employees again as back then there was no government welfare programs. No one is going to work for $4 an hour when they make more then that (in essence) sitting at home in a welfare apartment collecting food stamps and Obamacare. People would have to be paid enough to make it worthwhile to stop sucking on the government teat.
    If welfare is cut and or the amount of time someone can receive welfare is shortened many people wouldn't have a choice but to take that 4 dollar, 3 dollar or even 1 dollar an hour job.


    - if some stubborn corporations insist on paying people well below the national average, the masses could show their outrage by economically boycotting those corporations until they raise their wages...nothing usually works faster on corporations then mass economic boycott.
    No they wouldn't.Workers in China make 23- 33 cents an hour for 80 hours a week. Most Americans don't give two ****s that Chinese workers are making next to nothing.So they wouldn't be all that outraged if Americans were making next to nothing.

    Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month,
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong.The free marke could care less what an employee is worth. What they care about is lowest amount they can get away with paying someone to do a job.
    Isn't that what I said? Workers will get paid what they are worth to the company...not paid by some arbitrary number cooked up by a bureaucrat.
    The laws of supply and demand and 'free' market will determine what a WalMart employee is worth...which is as it should be.
    Government has no business telling private businesses what they can pay their employees, IMO.


    If welfare is cut and or the amount of time someone can receive welfare is shortened many people wouldn't have a choice but to take that 4 dollar, 3 dollar or even 1 dollar an hour job.
    Irrelevant. Your scenario mentioned nothing of this. And there is zero evidence that society as a whole is looking to cut welfare programs (other then certain cons wanting to cut back on food stamps - which I totally disagree with, btw).



    No they wouldn't.Workers in China make 23- 33 cents an hour for 80 hours a week. Most Americans don't give two ****s that Chinese workers are making next to nothing.So they wouldn't be all that outraged if Americans were making next to nothing.

    Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month,
    You have ZERO personal knowledge what people will do in the future. You are just guessing.
    Now if they are smart/decent, they will boycott stores that pay wages that are too low. If they are dumb/selfish...they won't. Either way, it's the masses fault if stores are allowed to thrive by knowingly paying meagre wages.
    The masses will decide what stores pay their employees by the power of their dollars...not the macroeconomic ignoramuses in government.

    I say let the free market decide what every single employee is worth..not the pathetic losers in government. You don't agree - fine.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes.
    It should be kept up with inflation, which i believe today that would be around $10.40
    Isn't the problem with that an inflationary cycle? When the minimum wage goes up, business costs go up, prices go up, so the minimum wage goes up…

    While I like the principle of the minimum wage, I think there are major practical blocks to ever increasing it (and certainly the concept of a "living wage" which seems to be ever more popular). It strikes me as a sticking plaster over a much more fundamental problem. In the west, what is considered necessary for a basic existence and what more is considered necessary for a comfortable one is ever increasing and ever more expensive. It's not all that long ago that people would be content with a single-room, an outside toilet and meat on the table once a week as a treat. Now people seem to consider things like dishwashers, mobile phones and cable TV as bare necessities and are unwilling or unable to cook for themselves or put any real effort in to making and fixing things rather than throwing them away and buying a new one.

    That's simple not sustainable as things stand so something has to give way (or preferably several things a little). I'm not convinced many people are willing to compromise even a little though so the problem will continue, constantly patched but never repaired.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should the minimum wage be raised?


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    No
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    Other.


    I say yes and it should automatically go up or down depending on the cost living.Businesses can not be trusted to do the right thing and without minimum wage laws individuals would still be getting paid peanuts and living in **** hole shacks like they were in the days of Andrew Carnegie and other robber barons.

    Yes I realize this opinion differs from most conservatives.Most conservatives and republicans in general seem to think companies should be allowed to someone 20 cents an hour if they want to and use the crock of **** excuse "but its a entry level job" to justify it. I know that people should not be paid peanuts when they are doing most of the work while the pay of some fat cat on top keeps going up. Plus with outsourcing, the scum in office trying to pass amnesty and import more workers, automization and colleges flooding the labor market with college grads all those jobs are going to be limited. We will be living in a take what you can get job market which means many people regardless of education or experience will be working at walmarts,mcdonalds and other low wage jobs.


    With this in the news recently, I've heard some folks talking about this.

    It's an interesting debate and there is a community in Washington State that has recently raised the minimum to $15/hour. There should be some interesting data produced from this to review, but that is some time away.

    This is obviously a social welfare thing and is intended to augment the wages of those who are trying to make their way in a too expensive world. However, this will also be paid to those who are working after school and just trying to have a little cash to see a movie.

    Perhaps, the minimum wage should be established and the difference between what is paid and what is earned made up by the local community in the form of a credit per hour and added to a credit card kind of a thingy. In this way, the local folks could make their voices heard and there could also be a pathway from unemployment to employment without that sudden drop off from getting benefits to not getting benefits.

    Whatever the system, determining what the level of a minimum wage should be is a constant question. As I heard in Washington state in one community, that level is $15/hour. I understand the Feds are talking about 9.00. 9.00 in New York is different that 9.00 in Des Moines.

    Another question which seems appropriate is whether or not this is an issue that should be considered at the Federal level. Where is the Constitutional justification?
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong.The free marke could care less what an employee is worth. What they care about is lowest amount they can get away with paying someone to do a job.



    If welfare is cut and or the amount of time someone can receive welfare is shortened many people wouldn't have a choice but to take that 4 dollar, 3 dollar or even 1 dollar an hour job.




    No they wouldn't.Workers in China make 23- 33 cents an hour for 80 hours a week. Most Americans don't give two ****s that Chinese workers are making next to nothing.So they wouldn't be all that outraged if Americans were making next to nothing.

    Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month,

    What were the Chinese workers earning before they took these jobs?
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What were the Chinese workers earning before they took these jobs?
    They were working the fields or scrounging for food. The reason they do these jobs is because their old jobs were worse, otherwise they'd be back out in the fields. Despite how low their pay is, to them it's better than the alternative. For some reason people want to take away the ****ty jobs they do have and leave them with no job at all, as if that were preferable.

    All people must go through hard times in order to get to better times. We went through the industrial revolution and came out of it a better society. China is growing and the influx of money is improving the conditions for the poor dramatically compared to what it used to be. I gladly buy lots of things from China and I sleep well at night knowing that I've helped them out at least a little.

    I mean, how can poorer countries like China pull themselves up by their bootstraps without any kind of edge in the market or influx of money?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wrong.The free marke could care less what an employee is worth. What they care about is lowest amount they can get away with paying someone to do a job.



    If welfare is cut and or the amount of time someone can receive welfare is shortened many people wouldn't have a choice but to take that 4 dollar, 3 dollar or even 1 dollar an hour job.




    No they wouldn't.Workers in China make 23- 33 cents an hour for 80 hours a week. Most Americans don't give two ****s that Chinese workers are making next to nothing.So they wouldn't be all that outraged if Americans were making next to nothing.

    Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month,
    You should follow your convictions and lead the charge by boycotting all Chinese made products. Good luck.
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