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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Actually, most Americans can't afford jack ****.
    LOL, OK, if you don't want to have a real discussion and want to throw out childish one-liners, I think we're done here. Not sure if you're actually in Mecca or if you just did that to be ironic, but here in America even the poor have smartphones, computers, TVs, food in their bellies, and a roof over their heads.

    But by all means, don't let facts stop you from using your Chinese made computer to decry global trade.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post

    But by all means, don't let facts stop you from using your Chinese made computer to decry global trade.
    Yes, I'll continue to do that until computers are made in America again.

    The fact is that we have a gigantic trade deficit with China. Do you deny that fact?

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post

    Why does anyone send anything to China? Why did I send my circuit board designs there and not have it done here in Europe?
    Because you can pay the Chinese next to nothing to make it.There are no safety laws to worry about, no minimum wage laws to worry about, nor are there any environmental safety laws to worry about.


    Because it costs about 1/4th what it would here.
    Only 1/4? That seems way off. With just minimum wage Americans make at least 90% more than their Chinese counterparts.But considering the fact factory jobs in America generally pay more than minimum wage its way higher than 90%.


    If you take away the price edge, they have no edge at all, and as such will have no job.
    I do not want the Chinese having those jobs.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Yes, I'll continue to do that until computers are made in America again.
    This one is:


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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    This one is:

    So ****ing what???

    That is only 1.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Because you can pay the Chinese next to nothing to make it.There are no safety laws to worry about, no minimum wage laws to worry about, nor are there any environmental safety laws to worry about.



    Only 1/4? That seems way off. With just minimum wage Americans make at least 90% more than their Chinese counterparts.But considering the fact factory jobs in America generally pay more than minimum wage its way higher than 90%.



    I do not want the Chinese having those jobs.
    Exactly! You favor minimum wage for Chinese workers because you don't want them to have those jobs! For third world countries the only advantage they can offer is cheap, you take that away from them and they have nothing to offer at all.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Exactly! You favor minimum wage for Chinese workers because you don't want them to have those jobs! For third world countries the only advantage they can offer is cheap, you take that away from them and they have nothing to offer at all.
    The problem with this whole debate is that you have one side attempting to argue the topic rationally, objectively while the other side is arguing it purely from raw emotion and "feel-goodism," which is all the concept of a "minimum wage" really is.

    Sadly, the concept itself demeans, rather than uplifts the very people for whom so many feel so strongly - reducing their value to little more than some arbitrary "minimum" amount.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So ****ing what???

    That is only 1.
    Then the choice is obvious! But nothing else.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I believe it should be repealed for several reasons.

    - the 'free' market knows far better how much an employee is worth then government does
    The government is simply protecting its electorate from paid slave labor. Even the most uneducated deserve to be able to afford the basic necessities if they are willing to put in an honest day's work.

    - there is no chance of 'robber barons' paying virtually nothing to employees again as back then there was no government welfare programs. No one is going to work for $4 an hour when they make more then that (in essence) sitting at home in a welfare apartment collecting food stamps and Obamacare. People would have to be paid enough to make it worthwhile to stop sucking on the government teat.
    You have obviously no idea what you are talking about. There are millions of immigrants in this country willing to work for well under the minimum wage. When you're previous life back in your home country consisted of living on less than $2 a day, $4 or even $3 an hour is a fortune. Especially when you have an entire family of 8-10 people living in a very small apartment all working for slave wages. They are willing to live in those kind of conditions to escape their country and live here. Americans would not be willing to live like that. So in essence, an unregulated wage only promotes companies from hiring foreign workers migrating from outside the US.

    - the current minimum wage is inflexible, being (federally) the same whether you live in Manhattan or 50 miles outside of Des Moines. Private enterprise would obviously pay each worker according to the local needs if they want people to fill their vacancies.
    Again, all deregulating the wage would encourage and would cause is an influx of migrant workers into your community.


    - if some stubborn corporations insist on paying people well below the national average, the masses could show their outrage by economically boycotting those corporations until they raise their wages...nothing usually works faster on corporations then mass economic boycott.
    Then the only people you hurt are the migrant workers who you've encouraged to live in your community by offering low paying work.

    - finally, I simply believe the government has no business telling private businesses what they can pay their employees.
    The whole purpose of having a government is to keep the country from being run by corporations. While we are nearly already run by corporations, at least, for the time being, corporations are sensitive to our concerns and we have power over them thru the government. That is why it is imperative we have a government that at least sets forth basic responsible business guidelines and regulations.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    I am slightly okay with matching the minimum wage we have now to adjust to inflation. Though even this seems unfair as no other employee gets this benefit; why should the minimum wage people get tied to inflation instead of everyone.

    I am completely against raising the minimum wage to a "living wage." Not every job is worth a living wage. People should know that education is what is needed to leave these jobs and then they should move on. Some jobs are just not worth a living wage. But if we do force a living wage, some of these jobs will be automated shortly afterward.
    Completely disagree. There are people that simply do not have the money or the mind to attend higher education. Not to mention, doing so, may even put them even further into debt. As most who don't have the mind or money to attend higher education usually get worthless degree's and end up working where they are anyway. Maybe in a higher paying position, but generally not making even enough to pay off their student debt which puts them in even a worse economic situation. If we made higher education mandatory and free, there would still need to be people working at the fast food places and in lower income jobs. Those jobs will never disappear and there will always be people trying to live off those wages. The only difference would be that the person salting your fries would be an educated fry salter.
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