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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yea, manufacturers adapt to demand. And slavery and sweat shops are not that different.
    So in your mind, if you get enough of your buddies to stop buying from China, they'll lose so much business, that Chinese businessmen will say "Oh! We're losing business, so we should RAISE our prices and pay our workers MORE!"

    Do you have any idea how supply and demand works? Why does anyone send anything to China? Why did I send my circuit board designs there and not have it done here in Europe? Because it costs about 1/4th what it would here. If you take away the price edge, they have no edge at all, and as such will have no job.

    Please explain how reducing money going to China will magically make the life of the average Chinese citizen better, and not far, far worse. What the hell have you done to help these people other than complain on the internet?
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should the minimum wage be raised?

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    It should be repealed.
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    I say yes and it should automatically go up or down depending on the cost living.Businesses can not be trusted to do the right thing and without minimum wage laws individuals would still be getting paid peanuts and living in **** hole shacks like they were in the days of Andrew Carnegie and other robber barons.

    Yes I realize this opinion differs from most conservatives.Most conservatives and republicans in general seem to think companies should be allowed to someone 20 cents an hour if they want to and use the crock of **** excuse "but its a entry level job" to justify it. I know that people should not be paid peanuts when they are doing most of the work while the pay of some fat cat on top keeps going up. Plus with outsourcing, the scum in office trying to pass amnesty and import more workers, automization and colleges flooding the labor market with college grads all those jobs are going to be limited. We will be living in a take what you can get job market which means many people regardless of education or experience will be working at walmarts,mcdonalds and other low wage jobs.
    If we were talking about some material item and how much we should pay for it, whether or not the government should be able to dictate to us what its price should be, etc. I think then the discussion assumes one particular tone. But if we change the discussion and start talking about people qua sentient beings rather than material items, of a sudden the tenor and tone of the discussion takes an immediate turn to something entirely different.

    If we stipulate that some "minimum" wage was absolutely a given, aren't we then also stipulating that anything that person brings to a company, apart from the fact that they are... sentient, is wholly irrelevant? We're going to pay them at least the minimum wage, be it $10/hr or $15/hr or whatever, merely because of their sentience - irrespective of any value they might otherwise bring or not bring, the sole criteria for the minimum wage we pay them is strictly because they are human.

    If humans can be defined then as having "minimum worth" - i.e. whatever worth we arbitrarily assign to them as being "worth at least this much" merely because of their sentience, how much value do we truly place on their humanity if we permit ourselves to arbitrarily define it thus?

    My point I guess is this, entering this discussion thinking we can, by fiat, define a person's minimum worth (regardless our intentions) has the attendant consequence of admitting that a person's worth is altogether random, a function of whatever whim of criteria we, not they might conjure - which is something I think does a severe disservice to us all. Acknowledging the goal of ensuring people have opportunity to provide for themselves and their families, I don't believe defining their worth in arbitrary terms is a humane tactic to take to achieve that goal.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What were the Chinese workers earning before they took these jobs?
    They earning only slightly better than what they were before so we should be alright that they are still making next to nothing while?
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Why do you think the average American can afford a car, a computer, a cell phone, a TV, a microwave, a dvd player, etc. etc. etc.?
    I don't think that.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    yes it should but it probably wont happen.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I don't think that.
    So you're just ignorant? Most Americans have all of those things.

    Though I think it's cute you use your made-in-China computer to decry the evils of globalization. Keep being a hypocrite.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They earning only slightly better than what they were before so we should be alright that they are still making next to nothing while?
    I think you drastically underestimate how poor China really used to be. Mass starvation, insanely back breaking labor, and even no payment whatsoever were the norm. Take a look at Afghanistan for instance. When I was there we hired locals to work on our COP doing random jobs that sometimes weren't even important. We paid them about $2/day and that was the most they had ever made in their lives.

    If you take away China's price advantage, NOBODY would buy from China. I deal with them regularly for manufacturing and it's a pain in the ass. We'd all much rather have stuff manufactured in Europe or the US but the cost can not be ignored. If you take away their price advantage, there won't be money flowing into China like there is now, and China will return to being a very, very poor country.

    You act like there's a 3rd option where Chinese workers get paid well and everyone in the world still buys from China, and that's not going to happen.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They earning only slightly better than what they were before so we should be alright that they are still making next to nothing while?


    I don't know.

    If YOU don't know, and it appears that you don't, how can yo make such condemning statements?

    What does that amount of money buy in China? What did they earn prior to that? Does this improve their situation?

    Were these people conscripted like British sailors in the 1700's or did they choose to gain a job in the factories that are offensive to you?

    I'm just looking to get the whole story.

    Are you?
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    I am slightly okay with matching the minimum wage we have now to adjust to inflation. Though even this seems unfair as no other employee gets this benefit; why should the minimum wage people get tied to inflation instead of everyone.

    I am completely against raising the minimum wage to a "living wage." Not every job is worth a living wage. People should know that education is what is needed to leave these jobs and then they should move on. Some jobs are just not worth a living wage. But if we do force a living wage, some of these jobs will be automated shortly afterward.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So you're just ignorant? Most Americans have all of those things.
    Actually, most Americans can't afford jack ****.

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