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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    They were working the fields or scrounging for food. The reason they do these jobs is because their old jobs were worse, otherwise they'd be back out in the fields. Despite how low their pay is, to them it's better than the alternative. For some reason people want to take away the ****ty jobs they do have and leave them with no job at all, as if that were preferable.

    All people must go through hard times in order to get to better times. We went through the industrial revolution and came out of it a better society. China is growing and the influx of money is improving the conditions for the poor dramatically compared to what it used to be. I gladly buy lots of things from China and I sleep well at night knowing that I've helped them out at least a little.

    I mean, how can poorer countries like China pull themselves up by their bootstraps without any kind of edge in the market or influx of money?



    You should follow your convictions and lead the charge by boycotting all Chinese made products. Good luck.


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    Yes, so inflation increases and we are right back to where we were. Its a vicious cycle. Soon our skilled workers will be flocking to McDonalds because the Federal Government is mandating them to get paid more than the salaried employees, for half the work.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    They were working the fields or scrounging for food. The reason they do these jobs is because their old jobs were worse, otherwise they'd be back out in the fields. Despite how low their pay is, to them it's better than the alternative. For some reason people want to take away the ****ty jobs they do have and leave them with no job at all, as if that were preferable.

    All people must go through hard times in order to get to better times. We went through the industrial revolution and came out of it a better society. China is growing and the influx of money is improving the conditions for the poor dramatically compared to what it used to be. I gladly buy lots of things from China and I sleep well at night knowing that I've helped them out at least a little.

    I mean, how can poorer countries like China pull themselves up by their bootstraps without any kind of edge in the market or influx of money?



    You should follow your convictions and lead the charge by boycotting all Chinese made products. Good luck.
    Justifying human and abuse and slavery because you like lower prices? You may be fine with people suffering so you can enjoy lower prices but many arent. These exploited workers have to work there because they have no choice. Many are even forced into it whether they like it or not. Sweat shops and slave labor is not doing the workers any favors. Its just something greedy consumers convince themselves of to justify it.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Justifying human and abuse and slavery because you like lower prices? You may be fine with people suffering so you can enjoy lower prices but many arent. These exploited workers have to work there because they have no choice. Many are even forced into it whether they like it or not. Sweat shops and slave labor is not doing the workers any favors. Its just something greedy consumers convince themselves of to justify it.
    You talk about Chinese workers like they were living the high life before. They had nothing out in the rural areas, but now that have a pay check, a home, food. Is it the standard of life we would expect? Hell no! But then it would be a downgrade for us.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You talk about Chinese workers like they were living the high life before. They had nothing out in the rural areas, but now that have a pay check, a home, food. Is it the standard of life we would expect? Hell no! But then it would be a downgrade for us.
    So since they were born into that ****ed up system they should be glad they are in it now? What kind of logic is that? You were born a slave so stop bitching that you're a slave.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    I think minimum wage should be raised to at least $20/hour. I think it would be a huge boon to our economy.

    But it should be in conjunction with more isolationist policies. The so-called "free trade" experiment has proven to not be the USA's best interests.

    Put a moratorium on all immigration until unemployment levels drop down very low. Even lower than they what they were during the Bush 43 boom economy years when any American who wanted a job could get a job. Militarize the southern border. Put bounties on the heads of human traffickers.

    Phase in huge tariffs on imported goods. Nike, you cannot continue to sell your sneakers in the USA unless you make them in the USA. HP, you cannot continue to sell your computers in the USA unless you start making them in the USA again. etc etc..

    Also, foreigners are crowding out American students in the America's institutions of higher learning. We need to stop issuing so many student visas.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Justifying human and abuse and slavery because you like lower prices? You may be fine with people suffering so you can enjoy lower prices but many arent. These exploited workers have to work there because they have no choice. Many are even forced into it whether they like it or not. Sweat shops and slave labor is not doing the workers any favors. Its just something greedy consumers convince themselves of to justify it.
    You're so full of it. What do you think their lives would be like without that job? The only reason anybody buys stuff from China is the price. That is their ONLY edge in the market. If you take away that edge, all their jobs go away and those workers will be unemployed.

    Why do you prefer they starve or work out in the field than take a job voluntarily that pays better? I just sent off one of my circuit boards to be manufactured in China yesterday. I feel proud knowing that I'll be helping some poor bastards make a few bucks to feed their families, because without my money, they wouldn't have any.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    So since they were born into that ****ed up system they should be glad they are in it now? What kind of logic is that? You were born a slave so stop bitching that you're a slave.
    No, it's a process. Their standard of living is improving, and is light years ahead of what it used to be. How do you think their standard of living would be if all the foreign money coming into China just stopped like you want?

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    But it should be in conjunction with more isolationist policies. The so-called "free trade" experiment has proven to not be the USA's best interests.
    One of the most highly ignorant statements I've seen in a while. Why do you think the average American can afford a car, a computer, a cell phone, a TV, a microwave, a dvd player, etc. etc. etc.? International trade is what has gotten us insanely inexpensive products that have been mass produced. America doesn't possess the manufacturing capabilities, nor the raw materials, nor the skilled labor to produce what's being produced.

    For some reason your solution is to completely **** our economy and make everything extremely expensive.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're so full of it. What do you think their lives would be like without that job? The only reason anybody buys stuff from China is the price. That is their ONLY edge in the market. If you take away that edge, all their jobs go away and those workers will be unemployed.

    Why do you prefer they starve or work out in the field than take a job voluntarily that pays better? I just sent off one of my circuit boards to be manufactured in China yesterday. I feel proud knowing that I'll be helping some poor bastards make a few bucks to feed their families, because without my money, they wouldn't have any.



    No, it's a process. Their standard of living is improving, and is light years ahead of what it used to be. How do you think their standard of living would be if all the foreign money coming into China just stopped like you want?



    One of the most highly ignorant statements I've seen in a while. Why do you think the average American can afford a car, a computer, a cell phone, a TV, a microwave, a dvd player, etc. etc. etc.? International trade is what has gotten us insanely inexpensive products that have been mass produced. America doesn't possess the manufacturing capabilities, nor the raw materials, nor the skilled labor to produce what's being produced.

    For some reason your solution is to completely **** our economy and make everything extremely expensive.
    I am sure southern slave owners justified abusing and exploiting people for their own gains in the same manner. Noone is better for being abused or forced into slavery. You cannot justify that. The only people who are benefitting from this exploitation are the business owners and consumers who feel it is ok to ruin thousands of lives to save you a little bit of money.
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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I am sure southern slave owners justified abusing and exploiting people for their own gains in the same manner. Noone is better for being abused or forced into slavery. You cannot justify that. The only people who are benefitting from this exploitation are the business owners and consumers who feel it is ok to ruin thousands of lives to save you a little bit of money.
    I'm confused. So you want me to stop buying things from China, and you think that will somehow make the life in China magically become better? Can you explain your end game or logic in any of that? You think that if we stop buying things from China, they will RAISE their prices to start paying their workers more?

    And you're on the hyperbole express comparing this to slavery.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Should the minimum wage be raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm confused. So you want me to stop buying things from China, and you think that will somehow make the life in China magically become better? Can you explain your end game or logic in any of that? You think that if we stop buying things from China, they will RAISE their prices to start paying their workers more?

    And you're on the hyperbole express comparing this to slavery.
    Yea, manufacturers adapt to demand. And slavery and sweat shops are not that different.
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