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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Actually the revrese is more likely to be true. If half of their time in office (their entire last term) is in "lame duck" mode that could be worse. Now at least the desire for re-election makes them somewhat hesitant to simply do whatever they want. Voter ignorance is the real problem since getting re-elected requires the support of the majority (or at least a plurality) of the voters.
    It's voter ignorance, and apathy, that makes term limits a waste of time and effort, IMO.

    Ok, the incumbents get termed out. Then what? Do we really believe that we'll be presented with fresh new choices and everyone will be a "Mr Smith goes to Washington"-type crusader, and that voters will suddenly be interested in researching the options and make informed decisions? Phfft! No, we'll get choices hand-picked by the parties, and because we don't really know who they are will be more likely to just give up and vote party line.
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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Actually the revrese is more likely to be true. If half of their time in office (their entire last term) is in "lame duck" mode that could be worse. Now at least the desire for re-election makes them somewhat hesitant to simply do whatever they want. Voter ignorance is the real problem since getting re-elected requires the support of the majority (or at least a plurality) of the voters.

    Mornin Ttwtt. Well I was thinking that they could be a lame duck for Washington DC. Be more about serving the people of their own state going out the door. This way they know if that one did or didn't do anything for them. He has to live with them.....Right?

    Not to mention.....we take their time away from the Media and looking to play. Now they have no reason to trapse all across the country and the planet all to endorse someone or party. Or even visit other country leaders. Should be listed down in their Job description so that can't say they weren't told.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
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    There are a few pro's and con's to each.

    If you vote Yes - if you favor congressional term limits - you want to keep out the incumbents - so that they aren't more focused on staying in power - and that each congressperson knows that their stay in Congress is only temporary. If you say yes to this - my question to you would be, do you favor one term, or a certain amount of years, or what?

    If you vote No - because for some people it's just their calling - and the longer they're in there, the more experience they'll have to deal with matters - and also it lets the voters have a choice in re-electing them if they want

    If you vote Other - that's if you're unsure or if you think something that isn't simply yes or no. Like if you think they should be temporary term limited, and then after being out of office, being re-eligible after being out of office for a period of time, or something like that.
    For a very long time, at least since Reagan I was in favor of term limits. But not today as I do not think they would make any difference. Today our representatives and senators represent their political parties and those who give them all their campaign cash than the people they are suppose to represent. Term limits would replace the name of the individual representative or senator, but not the loyalty shown to party and the faceless moneyed folks behind them over the people who actually vote.

    In fact I have come to the conclusion we as a nation would be better off with the repeal of the 22nd amendment which automatically make any president a lame duck the day after the election he won his second term on. I would also like to see the repeal of the 17th amendment also, but that is another story for another thread.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I support term limits for Politicians.....and Judges. No more lifetime appointments. Also all Judges should and politicians over the age of 65 have to be Psych evaluated every 3 years.

    My idea was two terms of 5 years. No more than 10. If they can't accomplish anything within a decade. Hit the road jack.....don't come back no more no more. With only the First year speaking for others and playing in elections and the Last year going out. No creating any legislation on the year of walking out the door either. It's see ya.....time for another to be ya.

    Although I think it could be done for Congressman too. I say put an end to the election game every two years. Force these douchebags to actually work for the people of their state. Rather than constantly soaking their people for money.

    Which that goes for trying to run to some other state just to try and get back into power too. Once done with the Fed and State......they want to serve. Then serve that own community that they were set out to pasture in.
    You have a good point about the ones over 65 - then again that could easily be corrupted because anyone could just say they're crazy.

    As for Congressmen being elected every 2 years - it's a quicker filter for if people don't like who their congressmen are, that they can just vote in new ones every 2 years.

    It's the way campaigns are run that are the real problem. If campaigns were run differently, then we could possibly get better candidates.

    Perhaps I should make a poll about equal air time for all candidates in an election. Both in primaries AND general elections. THEN the candidates would REALLY have to work for each vote.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Today - yes on term limits
    Yesterday - no
    There are valid arguments for either...
    The only thing that is definite is changing the two year house term to four years.
    And both campaign and campaign finance reform.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Today - yes on term limits
    Yesterday - no
    There are valid arguments for either...
    The only thing that is definite is changing the two year house term to four years.
    And both campaign and campaign finance reform.
    With all the gerrymandering going on it probably doesn't matter for 90% of House Members whether the terms are 2 years, 4 years, 10 years or for life. As for campaign and campaign finance reform, the SCOTUS has declared money is speech so it would take a constitutional amendment and since all the incumbents receive millions and even tens of millions from those nameless, faceless moneyed people behind the scenes to run their campaigns, you'll never get 2/3rds of the house or senate to approve any type of amendment that is needed.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    You have a good point about the ones over 65 - then again that could easily be corrupted because anyone could just say they're crazy.

    As for Congressmen being elected every 2 years - it's a quicker filter for if people don't like who their congressmen are, that they can just vote in new ones every 2 years.

    It's the way campaigns are run that are the real problem. If campaigns were run differently, then we could possibly get better candidates.

    Perhaps I should make a poll about equal air time for all candidates in an election. Both in primaries AND general elections. THEN the candidates would REALLY have to work for each vote.
    Equal air time, impossible. Money is speech according to the SCOTUS and this not only applies to the campaigns ran by the parties, it also applies to special interests groups, super pacs, advocacy groups, un-named organizations that can run all sort of political ads for or against any candidate or issue.

    As for those who do not like their congressman, all the parties do is gerrymander them out of their district. Looking at Cook, Sabato, Rothenburg, etc on their house predictions, they list approximately 210 safe Republican seats and 180 safe Democratic seats. That means come November of next year only 45 seats are in play. But in play doesn't mean the races are competitive, they use the term likely to signify seats that aren't safe or solid, but the seats are not competitive either but may become so in the future, 30 seats fall into this category. That leaves only 15 seats in next years election that are rated tossups or might actually change hands. 15 seats out of 435.

    Now this may change as time goes by as perhaps some of those likely seats move into the tossup category, but it is highly unlikely. Read my signature line.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    I voted other. I support (yes I know this will never happen) a hybrid system of election between our current system and the lottery system of ancient Athens. This would eliminate the need for term limits.

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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
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    There are a few pro's and con's to each.

    If you vote Yes - if you favor congressional term limits - you want to keep out the incumbents - so that they aren't more focused on staying in power - and that each congressperson knows that their stay in Congress is only temporary. If you say yes to this - my question to you would be, do you favor one term, or a certain amount of years, or what?

    If you vote No - because for some people it's just their calling - and the longer they're in there, the more experience they'll have to deal with matters - and also it lets the voters have a choice in re-electing them if they want

    If you vote Other - that's if you're unsure or if you think something that isn't simply yes or no. Like if you think they should be temporary term limited, and then after being out of office, being re-eligible after being out of office for a period of time, or something like that.
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    Re: Do you favor Congressional term limits?

    As it is pretty split i feel ok saying yes, but only to a certain point. People who are in their late 70's and 80's+ should not be in congress, but they should still be allowed to consult. The problem with term limits is that where many of the older politicians hold up what we may call old fashioned views, many people still like those views and that is why they are re-elected so many times. So by cutting a person off from their right to hold office, we not only cutting them off of their constitutional right, but we are forcing people to vote for people who don't always hold their views, just because they have had less terms; Because lets face it people, the politician who we put in office are not always the people who follow our beliefs, but are often the only ones running. So i think that yes their should be a term limit, but it has to be controlled so that people can still vote the way they want to.
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