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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    ab out the only good thing I could say is the US does (at least in the long run) self correct. We didn't get into Syria, prolly because of the Brits refusal to allow Cameron to join in
    and most especially because the US populace is sick of interventions. NOT going in to" degrade" Assad was the best "non-move"

    The Sunnis are upset, because they aren't our pets anymore, but it's about time we started to at least talk with Iran....

    what was the rest of it??

    Oh yeah. truely sorry about the dogs, the US law enforcement agencys are exceptionally brutal these days...
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Justified?

    You mean as in brain chemistry that has resulted in an imbalance between serotonin and dopamine -- that sort of justification?
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by pvsi View Post
    People who will comment on this question without reading my post, are obviously trolls.
    Here are my reasons why I have no respect for America as a nation:

    - US president Obama promised dialog with Iran and Syria, but instead invited Saudi Arabian kings to the white house who sent death row inmates to fight Syrian people
    - US president Bush promised no nation building but invaded Iraq, Afghanistan
    - US senate congress has fights about funding Obamas care, but has no problems funding Israel which has universal health care, and funding whole bunch of other nations.
    - I was wrongly arrested from my house in 2000 for robbery, spent 3 days in prison, and could not even sue the police district, another police district ended up handling my case. without money I am absolute nobody in this nation. same when my dogs got shot near my house this past December 4th.

    There are many other reasons, but this gives some idea. I respect decent American people with all my heart, and unlike politicians who have access to the establishment media to keep kissing millions of asses and saying god bless America and god bless our men in uniform, I do not have such privilege, but to love a nation I have to love the system, a nation IS a system. If America does not even have a government that represents its' people, what kind of a nation is it? it certainly does not represent me.
    1.I think there is a major problem in the choices. The choices in A and B are not the only two expressions given by americans, but closer to the extremes. Now where there are parts of the american "system" that are corrupted and result in case like your arrest, there are many other parts of the system that people like. I like that firemen will come and save my apartment if it is on fire. I like having purified water so i don't get dysentery for drinking it.I like voting. I like laws that create safe working environment. The point is that although we may agree that you are right to feel angry with the system, there are also parts that the average american takes for granted.

    2.Most of those examples you talked about above involve money. Follow the money and you will find the cause.
    3. What you said about the politicians and our men(and women) at arms is true but not going far enough. They may use them for their own personal benifit to help them get elected, but their actions speak for themselves. The men and women who put their lifes on the line every day are payed the minimum wage, while politicians and ceos and all those people earn 10, sometimes even 20 times the soldier's paycheck.

    That is just what i wanted to say. If you dont like it, i would follow option c
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    You mean the American government, right? If you look over track records, you'd have justification to have no respect for a lot of countries. Long as you don't equate the government's actions with the American people as if they're one and the same, it's fair.
    Pretty much says it all, IMO.

    I would just add that I believe America's foreign policy has always been hit and miss...but since 9/11 it has been almost all misses.

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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I really want to agree with this, but I just can't.

    I mean, in a sense, yes, the government operates separately from the people. The government often thwarts what is in the people's best interests and sets itself up to perpetuate itself and the bureaucracy. But... and it's a big but... it's all done with the knowledge and complicit approval of the people. Too often apathetic complicit approval.
    Is it, I don't recall a vote being held for the Drone policy, for example. What the government does and the people wills can be very different things. I understand what you mean, but American foreign policy hasn't often been with the general public's approval, rather the opposite if anything. Apathy =/ approval.
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    The sad thing for him is that the United States is one of the few places on Earth here he can be a Neo-Nazi and not have to worry about being thrown in prison.

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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Is it, I don't recall a vote being held for the Drone policy, for example. What the government does and the people wills can be very different things. I understand what you mean, but American foreign policy hasn't often been with the general public's approval, rather the opposite if anything. Apathy =/ approval.
    Things, such as drone policy, are done in our name. We elect... and re-elect... people to make these decisions in our name. If we keep re-electing these people who make these decisions, there is no way that we can effectively disassociate ourselves from said decisions. Our "crime" as citizens might be negligence, if you will.
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Things, such as drone policy, are done in our name. We elect... and re-elect... people to make these decisions in our name. If we keep re-electing these people who make these decisions, there is no way that we can effectively disassociate ourselves from said decisions. Our "crime" as citizens might be negligence, if you will.
    I think the "crime" we commit is more than negligence, when our government does things we consider crimes.
    In the case of drones, however, I cannot make out a crime.
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Things, such as drone policy, are done in our name. We elect... and re-elect... people to make these decisions in our name. If we keep re-electing these people who make these decisions, there is no way that we can effectively disassociate ourselves from said decisions. Our "crime" as citizens might be negligence, if you will.
    I still separate Americans from the American Government. There are enough people who would like nothing better than wiping the entire Congress clean and starting over - or at the very least institute term limits so these career politicians can be removed and a more representative account of government be put in place. This administration like the one before it is not representative of my views though I am stuck living under it - voluntarily. As bad as it is, I cannot see a reason to leave. Hope springs eternal, however it must be fairly bleak for it to show up. In the current case, we were promised hope and change with the result of American's being the butt end of the largest political con-job so far of the 21st century. Government on all levels is out of control and dragging us with it - the system has been finely honed to continue on this destructive path no matter who we elect, which is the antithesis of how it was setup to work in the first place. What flashpoint will signal the American people's willingness to radically change views and reject standard (D) and (R) policies? I wish I knew...
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    Re: Is my lack of respect for USA justified?

    That's a good question. What flashpoint? Is there one?

    One of the grave problems is that so many citizens are politically apathetic even when it's their own neighborhoods.

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