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  • Napoleon Bonaparta

    6 13.95%
  • Genghis Khan

    11 25.58%
  • Julius Caesar

    5 11.63%
  • Salah ad-Din, Yusuf ibn Ayyub

    1 2.33%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    0 0%
  • Alexander the Great

    11 25.58%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

    2 4.65%
  • Charles Martel

    0 0%
  • Sun Tzu

    6 13.95%
  • Akbar the Great

    1 2.33%
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Even with Rommel, the Third Reich would have still lost. If they wanted to win a war, they should have changed courses at least from around the early 1930s. It's a miracle that they lasted for so long.
    Their biggest mistake was the eastern front and not completing the atlantic wall. I don't think they would have lost, I honestly believe the war would have stopped. U.S. was too smart. With a limitless amount of panzer divisions on the western front, a ground assault would have been an exercise in futility. 50 year cold war, 100%. Eventually, Germany would invade the Soviets with zero western pressure. Chances are, in the process without western bombing pressure, the Germans would have made the nuke. No question about it.

    I could see large scale war between Soviets/China vs Japan/Germany though. Now THAT would have been a nightmare on a good day. All countries involved were straight savage in warfare on a good day. Something for the history books to say the least. We also would have developed a nuke in our isolation.

    At the end of the day, it would see be America vs the Totalitarians. Soviets, Nazis....still same old cold war. I'm just wondering where GB would have ended up. We would have been drawn in no matter what, but to what point and end. Would the V2s have stopped?

    Who the hell knows.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I have no idea what're you talking about, but I'll reply anyways.
    With the US and the UK existing, the Nazis would have had no way to keep on to Western Europe.
    Your nonsense that the Eastern Front lost the war needs no comment. On second thought, do you mean for the Axis? Thought you meant losing the war for the Allies. Apologies if misunderstood.
    As for their atomic program, they still needed a decade to realize any atomic bomb. They wasted incredible amounts of resources on the V-weapons (which in hindsight, were incredibly useless) and since most of the best Axis scientists moved to the US or the UK due to the repression, they were far from an atomic bomb despite what popular myths and Hollywood movies dictate.
    I think we may have lost one another in translation.

    Basically, if Germany never opened the Soviet front, and had all the eastern front resources at their disposal, the world would look quite differently today.
    We did poach a ton of German scientists, they were not too far behind. Without constant bombarment and the movement of labs, they would have made significant ground. The V program was an enormous waste of money (although, it was the basis of our ICBM and space program), the implementation of the ME262 and the Strumghewehr would have changed things quite a bit.

    No matter what, it would have lead to a square up between the U.S. and Germany, no question about it. They would have rolled the soviets if they had nobody to fight on the west. He committed too many resources to too many fronts. Splitting them up would have changed the odds immensely. The U.S., regardless, was his biggest threat. We were a gigantic sleeping monster.

    Needless to say, it would have been epic (even more epic than it already was). Two countries willing to light off the big boys. Bet your ass there would be quite a few more cities with some radioactive history.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    They both kicked ass... I would love to have seen either against the Commies...
    They would have rug-rolled the commies like it was going out of style. Rommel was reassigned for political reasons, and Patton never had the chance. If either of them were given the opportunity....game over. Those men were beyond Generals. They were the kind of military minds that come along once a millennia.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Out of that list though....

    tough call. Julius I think we can cancel. History was written in his favor
    Alexander was a beast on a bad day. Ambition caught him by the balls. Damn shame, brought some civilization to the planet.
    Tzu was a genius, still an inspiration to all military/business/etc on the planet.

    Napoleon...now that man. Exiled. Makes a comeback beyond the likes of which fiction writers couldn't imagine. Romantic to say the least. I like this guy. That belgian winter. Those Prussians could put up a fight, that's for damn sure. Wellesley, in that sense, caught a lucky draw. Great General. Won't deny that. Was he a match for Napoleon? I think circumstance played an enormous role in that scenario. Than again, capitalizing on circumstance signifies prowess. Napoleon had a...well a Napoleon complex. I suppose Wellesley exploited that.

    How does one judge a superior General in that sense? Victory? Ability? Raw talent? How can any of them be judged? The fact that we write and debate about them to this day is incredible. Their names will be spoken through history as long as we print. I dare say the debate itself is an exercise in futility.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Patton with equal forces of sermons vs Rommel with his original Panzer divisions...

    vegas take your bets, it will be one for the books.

    Hitler sealed his fate when he essentially banished Rommel from the western front lines.
    Shermans were crap. The fact that Patton even made the useable is another point in his favor. Just Patton with Shermans and Rommel with Panzers, no contest. The better equipment would hand it to Rommel as unlike many other generals, he at least understood mobile warfare. Pattons answer to the Panzers in North Africa was artillery, not Shermans. That is where Patton truly shined against other Generals of the time, he had a much better grasp of joint forces operations.

    Tank vs Tank, Rommel for sure, although maybe an even split with even quality of equipment. Overall, Patton, hands down as he would never go tank to tank with Rommel. He would use tanks to pin Rommel in then pound him with arty and aircraft.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Shermans were crap. The fact that Patton even made the useable is another point in his favor. Just Patton with Shermans and Rommel with Panzers, no contest. The better equipment would hand it to Rommel as unlike many other generals, he at least understood mobile warfare. Pattons answer to the Panzers in North Africa was artillery, not Shermans. That is where Patton truly shined against other Generals of the time, he had a much better grasp of joint forces operations.

    Tank vs Tank, Rommel for sure, although maybe an even split with even quality of equipment. Overall, Patton, hands down as he would never go tank to tank with Rommel. He would use tanks to pin Rommel in then pound him with arty and aircraft.
    Agreed. German military tech was 10 years ahead of the allies in most arenas. Some even further. Panzer was light-years ahead of what we were working with.
    American artillery was no joke. It was our saving grace. I suppose it always has been.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    I'll throw a couple names out there. Tran Hung Dao and Tokugawa Ieyasu. Recently watched documentaries on these 2 guys and they were pretty amazing.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Oh, George Washington
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    George Kastriot Skenderbeu, for managing to withhold 3 of the Sulltan's sieges (2 personally organized from the Sultan) at the castle of Kruja, Albania. You have a vast Ottoman Empire army at one end and Skenderbe and his brilliant tactics at the other.

    Result: Failure to capture Kruja and move on to Venice. Only after 10 years after his death was such a thing possible. By then the world got more prepared.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred View Post
    That said, I think Alexander probably had it quite easy, all things said and done (the Greeks had superior armies, without a doubt IMO) and so trashing the Persians might not have been as difficult as one might think.
    Alexander was half Dardanian. His mother came from the Dardanian sub-tribe of Mollos.
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