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  • Napoleon Bonaparta

    6 13.95%
  • Genghis Khan

    11 25.58%
  • Julius Caesar

    5 11.63%
  • Salah ad-Din, Yusuf ibn Ayyub

    1 2.33%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    0 0%
  • Alexander the Great

    11 25.58%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

    2 4.65%
  • Charles Martel

    0 0%
  • Sun Tzu

    6 13.95%
  • Akbar the Great

    1 2.33%
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Meh. Temujin Schmemujin. Go ask the Japanese how bad-ass Temujin is.
    That wasn't Genghis Khan - that was his grandson Kublai who, other than his abortive attempts to invade Japan, was a great emperor and conqueror in his own right.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    My money is on Napoleon. The way he perfectly manipulated his enemy, was able to predict every moment of the Battle of Austerwitz is something no one to my knowledge has been able to replicate.
    Napoleon's an odd case. In regards to military tactics and much of French policy, he was brilliant, but in all other aspects he was extraordinarily infantile and petty - reestablishing slavery on Saint-Domingue and invading Russia were both terrible decisions from any strategic point of view.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Greatest General? Colonel Sanders.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Zhukov? Zhukov!!

    No. That guy shouldn't even be in the same breath as great generals.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Are you defending Patton? There's no argument that he was above average, but if he'd had his way, we would not have stopped the war - we would have continued it against the Russians. And what do you think would have happened when he ran up against Zhukov and a battle-hardened force (with superior armor) many times his number?
    In a hypothetical war between the Western Allies and the Soviets after WWII, the Western Allies would have won hands down. The US still had the world's largest industrial base that was untouched by the war while Soviet industry, admittedly large, was puny compared to the US. The Soviet Union was also incredibly scarred by the war with the result that much of its agriculture and population was reduced. Then there's the air force. The Red Air Force was nothing compared to the Allied air forces, and the Western Front proved that even the most armored tanks were worthless against Allied bombers. Coupled with the strategic air force, the Allies would have gained air superiority. Thus the Soviets would have been superior at the land, the Allies would have dominated the skies. The Allies had the economic base to sustain and still further expand their military while the Soviets suffered much.
    That's for a conventional war. Now you have to add nukes. There's no way the Soviets stood the slightest chance.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Greatest General? Colonel Sanders.
    Yeah, he truly conquered the world
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    In a hypothetical war between the Western Allies and the Soviets after WWII, the Western Allies would have won hands down. The US still had the world's largest industrial base that was untouched by the war while Soviet industry, admittedly large, was puny compared to the US. The Soviet Union was also incredibly scarred by the war with the result that much of its agriculture and population was reduced. Then there's the air force. The Red Air Force was nothing compared to the Allied air forces, and the Western Front proved that even the most armored tanks were worthless against Allied bombers. Coupled with the strategic air force, the Allies would have gained air superiority. Thus the Soviets would have been superior at the land, the Allies would have dominated the skies. The Allies had the economic base to sustain and still further expand their military while the Soviets suffered much.
    That's for a conventional war. Now you have to add nukes. There's no way the Soviets stood the slightest chance.
    And then you add the Naval power that would have had US carriers and battleships off Leningrad shelling it to ****, amphibious landings where ever we wanted... airborn assaults at will... code breaking down to a T... Patton was right. Should have done it then instead.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Where's Patton? Where's Rommel? Where's General Lee?

    I forfeit from this. Those three were incredible under damn near impossible odds from a military standpoint. Anyone from either side in any of said wars would agree with the such. Geniuses for lack of better terminology.

    Kahn was an inspiration for many a campaign. Tzu was an inspiration for strategy. Still, my decision stands. Those men pioneered it, the big boys perfected it. Rommel vs Patton with equal forces...flip a damn coin, you're talking men who studied war to the likes of which men will never match again. They were gods amongst men. Lee...well we remember what Lee did with a force 1/2 the size, 1/8th supplied, and with zero reinforcements. The underdog that prevails and holds off the imminent threat longer than anyone could imagine commands respect from all, even the victor.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And then you add the Naval power that would have had US carriers and battleships off Leningrad shelling it to ****, amphibious landings where ever we wanted... airborn assaults at will... code breaking down to a T... Patton was right. Should have done it then instead.
    But at what costs? Could have the US sustained such an empire? Soviet partisans could turn against their former allies and terrorize them much like how they terrorized the Nazis. The logistics would also have been a nightmare, even for the US. They would have won, but what about the long-term consequences? Would the US have stopped there? Where else could they have used the atomic bombs?
    Methinks that your scenario is a bit nightmarish.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Where's Patton? Where's Rommel? Where's General Lee?

    I forfeit from this. Those three were incredible under damn near impossible odds from a military standpoint. Anyone from either side in any of said wars would agree with the such. Geniuses for lack of better terminology.

    Kahn was an inspiration for many a campaign. Tzu was an inspiration for strategy. Still, my decision stands. Those men pioneered it, the big boys perfected it. Rommel vs Patton with equal forces...flip a damn coin, you're talking men who studied war to the likes of which men will never match again. They were gods amongst men. Lee...well we remember what Lee did with a force 1/2 the size, 1/8th supplied, and with zero reinforcements. The underdog that prevails and holds off the imminent threat longer than anyone could imagine commands respect from all, even the victor.
    I get Lee and Rommel, but why Patton? It's not like he was the underdog.
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