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  • Napoleon Bonaparta

    6 13.95%
  • Genghis Khan

    11 25.58%
  • Julius Caesar

    5 11.63%
  • Salah ad-Din, Yusuf ibn Ayyub

    1 2.33%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    0 0%
  • Alexander the Great

    11 25.58%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

    2 4.65%
  • Charles Martel

    0 0%
  • Sun Tzu

    6 13.95%
  • Akbar the Great

    1 2.33%
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You need to stop pretending that the Soviets won the war single handedly.

    Colossus: The secrets of Bletchley Park's code-breaking computers - B. Jack Copeland - Google Books
    I'm not pretending that they won the war single-handedly...but I am saying that if we had not invaded Normandy, they WOULD still have won it single-handedly. How do I know this? Before we invaded Normandy, the Red Army had already entered POLAND - as of April 30th, 1944 (five weeks BEFORE the Normandy invasion), the Red Army was about 200 miles from WARSAW.

    Our invasion didn't doom Germany - they were already doomed. What our invasion did was save France and much of Western Europe from being trapped behind the Iron Curtain.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You need to stop spinning history to support your blind praise of the Communists.

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    "Blind praise"?

    Dude, I don't like communism and never did - I've visited China and seen firsthand the fear that the people live under - I should tell you about it sometime. But unlike you, I don't allow my dislike of communism to prevent me from seeing the things they did right in addition to the things they did wrong. Look at all human history, and almost every tyrant did some things that were good and right. That doesn't excuse the things they did that were wrong - it's simply what happened.

    For instance, what Hitler did that was right was that he got the German economy back on track and made it (for a time) what was perhaps the best economy in the world...and then there's the Autobahn that he began, which our interstate highway was modeled after. This by no means excuses what he did that was wrong, monstrously wrong.

    And so it goes with the communists - the USSR did many things that were right, even heroic and more worthy of admiration than any battle we ourselves fought...but this doesn't excuse the twenty million or so of their own people that Stalin killed along the way. This isn't a matter of who one likes or doesn't like - this is a matter of HISTORY. And the fact that you seem to hate the communists with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns is coloring your perception to the point that you cannot allow yourself to accept that YES, they did many things that were right and good. All you can see is the monstrous evil that they committed along the way.

    You gotta see the WHOLE picture, guy - the bad AND the good. That, sir, is the job of the historian.

    Now...back to Vietnam. Yes, the Tet Offensive effectively ended the combat viability of the Viet Cong - I'll give you that. But it still existed as a political entity until long after the fall of Saigon. And you seem to be putting too much stock in the Tet Offensive, because while it was a great tactical victory for America and (to a lesser extent) South Vietnam, it was a great strategic victory for North Vietnam...because it proved that no place in South Vietnam (including the American Embassy, remember) was safe from the North Vietnamese. This had a profound psychological effect not only on the South Vietnamese, but on the American public who were reading how even the American Embassy had been attacked and penetrated. The Tet Offensive, perhaps more than any other single event, served to begin turning the American public against the Vietnam War.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I'm not pretending that they won the war single-handedly...but I am saying that if we had not invaded Normandy, they WOULD still have won it single-handedly. How do I know this? Before we invaded Normandy, the Red Army had already entered POLAND - as of April 30th, 1944 (five weeks BEFORE the Normandy invasion), the Red Army was about 200 miles from WARSAW.

    Our invasion didn't doom Germany - they were already doomed. What our invasion did was save France and much of Western Europe from being trapped behind the Iron Curtain.
    You change the subject slicker than greases owl ****...lol!
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You change the subject slicker than greases owl ****...lol!
    Hey - YOU were the one claiming that the Soviets couldn't have won the war single-handedly - I simply proved that they were well on their way to do just that when we invaded. You just don't have the intestinal fortitude to admit that yes, you were wrong about something.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Hey - YOU were the one claiming that the Soviets couldn't have won the war single-handedly - I simply proved that they were well on their way to do just that when we invaded. You just don't have the intestinal fortitude to admit that yes, you were wrong about something.
    I never said that, either...lol! You went from ignoring the intel the Brits gave Soviets proor to the Battle of Kursk to Operation Overlord.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Battlefield tactics are what win the day. You'll never prove otherwise.
    general lee lost at Gettysburg because he did not study the terrain.

    General Meade of the union was able to hold lees attack's off, and forced lee to launch a frontal aussult on the third day. that led to the tragic massacre known as pickets charge.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    General Tso.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said that, either...lol! You went from ignoring the intel the Brits gave Soviets proor to the Battle of Kursk to Operation Overlord.
    Here's your quote:

    "You need to stop pretending that the Soviets won the war single handedly."
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    general lee lost at Gettysburg because he did not study the terrain.

    General Meade of the union was able to hold lees attack's off, and forced lee to launch a frontal aussult on the third day. that led to the tragic massacre known as pickets charge.
    General Lee lost Gettysburg for a number of reasons, but it wasn't because he didn't study the terrain. The biggest mis-step was when General Ewell misinterpreted General Lee's orders and didn't take Big Round Top.

    Ultimately, General Buford was the savior of the Federal army when he held Cemetary Ridge.

    General Meade didn't force General Lee into anything. Pickett's Charge was a last ditch effort to break the Federal line. A bad decision on General Lee's part; because of a heart attack just prior too, or during the battle, General Lee wasn't 100%.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Here's your quote:

    "You need to stop pretending that the Soviets won the war single handedly."
    Right! Ignoring the fact that the Soviets recieved intel generated at Bletchly Park and insisting that all their intel came from organic sources, is trying to paint the picture that the Soviets won the war single handedly.

    The very specific information that allowed the Soviets to literally know every move the Germans were going to make came Project Ultra, not Lucy. Lucy only confirmed the credibility of the Ultra intel.

    You keep insisting that no such intel passed from the Brits and the Soviets and that's completely un-true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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