View Poll Results: The Greatest General in History

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  • Napoleon Bonaparta

    6 13.95%
  • Genghis Khan

    11 25.58%
  • Julius Caesar

    5 11.63%
  • Salah ad-Din, Yusuf ibn Ayyub

    1 2.33%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    0 0%
  • Alexander the Great

    11 25.58%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

    2 4.65%
  • Charles Martel

    0 0%
  • Sun Tzu

    6 13.95%
  • Akbar the Great

    1 2.33%
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Wrong part of Russia there buddy.
    Wrong time and then wrong place also (considering under-preparations).
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Who was the greatest general in history? We have a list spanning the ages, from the dawn of history to the Second World War.

    Who is your choice, and why?

    Edit: To my eternal shame, I've made a typo in Napoleon Bonaparte's name. Is there any way to edit the poll?
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, Hannibal's tactics failed?
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    He could win battles, but honestly he could not have captured the city of Rome because he did not have enough soldiers, supplies, or allies to sustain a seige.
    Had Hannibal proceeded directly to Rome after Cannae, there wouldn't of been any need for a siege. There was no more Roman Army to speak of, he had just destroyed the largest army the ancient world had seen in... a long time at least. Marhabal (sp?) emplored Hannibal to let him take the Numidians to the gates of Rome, but Hannibal refused. The historian Libby said something along the lines of, "it is agreed that single day's delay, was the salvation of Rome."

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Thereby one of Hitler's stubborn orders was to sent them to die to the colds of freaking Siberian winter nevertheless!
    It was a failure to plan for extreme winter conditions.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Genghis Khan if I can't vote Grand Admiral Thrawn.
    There's only one greatest general of all time.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    He was never given much chance to prove himself as a strategist, same as Ike was never allowed to demonstrate his tactical abilities. However, Patton, with his deep knowledge of warfare probably would of been a good, if not brilliant strategist as well.

    As to your evaluation of logistics us vs soviet union at the end of the war. While the US did have a much longer logistic train, the majority of the train was safe and there was no threat to production at all. The soviets didn't really have a navy, much less one that would allow them to take on the US. Most of the soviets production facilities were in range of B-29s launched from Germany and their entire native oil production at the time was well within striking range of the US. We could harass their entire logistics line from production to delivery while they could only attack ours, assuming they actually could get some kind of air strikes at all, for a short distance. A long but uninterpretable supply line beats a short but constantly battling one every time.
    1. The Soviets didn't need a navy.

    2. When you say the Soviets' production facilities would have been within range of our B-29's, you're forgetting that our B-29's (and all their support facilities) were taking on Japan. The timetable you're dealing with would have required us to keep going against the Soviets in April of 1945, and the B-29's were being used very heavily over Japan at the time...and it had to be the B-29's there because no other large bomber had sufficient range and payload. So we would have been limited to B-17's and the British Lancaster bombers.

    3. And you're assuming that we would have been able to take Germany - and that's a very dicey assumption of its own, considering that the Soviets' logistics train to eastern Europe was much shorter and (by that time) every bit as secure as our own.

    4. And no, I strongly doubt Patton would have been a "great strategist". If he were indeed that capable, then he would have understood - given the failures of both Napoleon and Hitler - that it's a very bad idea to take on the USSR.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    American units from the PTO would have been deployed against the Soviets. These are troops that were far more hardened to the horrors of war than the ETO soldiers. They were accustomed to fighting an enemy that literally fought to the death; the Soviets, in general never fought to the death.
    1. A war with the Soviets would have started in April of 1945 - the U.S. forces in the PTO (most importantly, the B-29 squadrons) were stuck there until August 1945.

    2. We did not have great numbers of ground troops in the PTO - it was island-hopping, remember. Transferring them all to Europe would have made little difference, if any, with the vast numbers needed for warmaking on the Eurasian continent.

    3. You really should read up on how tenacious the Soviet soldiers were. In the beginning, yes, hundreds of thousands surrendered...but as the months went by, the German soldiers wrote letters home about how the Soviet soldiers would fight to the death, even when there was no hope for survival. If you really don't want to dig this up, then read about the Battle of Stalingrad sometime.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Soviets had the manpower resources to do that. The Germans and the Japanese didn't.
    You should think about those manpower resources - and the will that drove them - when you think about how successful we would or would not have been in a war with them at the time.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Brits had cracked the Enigma Code and that info was being spoon-fed to the Soviets. The only real Soviet intel source was an operator in Switzerland--The Red Trio, ran by Sandor Rudo--that did nothing more than confirm the info the Soviets recieved from Bletchly Park.
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    Yes, the Brits did crack the Enigma code, and the Americans broke the Japanese 'Purple' code, too. But what neither the Brits nor the Americans had was effective intelligence in Russia at the time...whereas the Soviets DID have effective intelligence in both England and America (which is why Stalin knew about the Manhattan Project). As a result, in a war between the West and the USSR, we were greatly disadvantaged when it came to intel.

    Remember - the Soviets even had intelligence in Japan (a guy named Richard Sorge) that America did not.

    Man, but you are greatly underestimating the other guy. That's the very worst mistake anyone can make in wartime.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, the Brits did crack the Enigma code, and the Americans broke the Japanese 'Purple' code, too. But what neither the Brits nor the Americans had was effective intelligence in Russia at the time...whereas the Soviets DID have effective intelligence in both England and America (which is why Stalin knew about the Manhattan Project). As a result, in a war between the West and the USSR, we were greatly disadvantaged when it came to intel.

    Remember - the Soviets even had intelligence in Japan (a guy named Richard Sorge) that America did not.

    Man, but you are greatly underestimating the other guy. That's the very worst mistake anyone can make in wartime.
    What are you even talking about?? I never said anything about the Brits having agents operating inside the Soviet Union!
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