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  • Napoleon Bonaparta

    6 13.95%
  • Genghis Khan

    11 25.58%
  • Julius Caesar

    5 11.63%
  • Salah ad-Din, Yusuf ibn Ayyub

    1 2.33%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    0 0%
  • Alexander the Great

    11 25.58%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

    2 4.65%
  • Charles Martel

    0 0%
  • Sun Tzu

    6 13.95%
  • Akbar the Great

    1 2.33%
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Battlefield tactics are what win the day. You'll never prove otherwise.
    But not necessarily the war. Ask Hannibal.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    But not necessarily the war. Ask Hannibal.
    How did Hannibal fail?
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How did Hannibal fail?
    After Cannae, had he of marched directly on Rome, world history would of looked far different. As his brother put it, "Hannibal, you know how to win a battle, but not how to use the victory."

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    After Cannae, had he of marched directly on Rome, world history would of looked far different. As his brother put it, "Hannibal, you know how to win a battle, but not how to use the victory."
    So, Hannibal's tactics failed?
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, Hannibal's tactics failed?
    He could win battles, but honestly he could not have captured the city of Rome because he did not have enough soldiers, supplies, or allies to sustain a seige.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    He could win battles, but honestly he could not have captured the city of Rome because he did not have enough soldiers, supplies, or allies to sustain a seige.
    Laying seige to Rome was the wrong tactic, given the combat power he could bring to bear?
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Laying seige to Rome was the wrong tactic, given the combat power he could bring to bear?
    How could Hannibal resupply his troops if there was no way to give his army reinforcements?

    Besides, Rome lost armies to Hannibal: one at trebia, another at lake tressimine, and the third at Cannae, but each time Rome was able to raise another army after each defeat. That was somthing hanniball could not do and he could only win battles if Rome came after him.

    Hannibal could beat Rome in battle, but he could not defeat Rome itself.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Okay, I've got to help you out on this. I can't speak for the other guy, but I was a great admirer of Patton for many years...until I learned more about what happened on the Eastern Front.

    Patton was a great tactician - but there's a lot more to being a great general than tactics, which is why Eisenhower was a better general.

    Yeah, he did really well in his relief of Bastogne...but there are many generals throughout history that did better with less. Genghis Khan's general Subodai faced greater odds and won greater battles over greater distances than Patton ever dreamed.
    He was never given much chance to prove himself as a strategist, same as Ike was never allowed to demonstrate his tactical abilities. However, Patton, with his deep knowledge of warfare probably would of been a good, if not brilliant strategist as well.

    As to your evaluation of logistics us vs soviet union at the end of the war. While the US did have a much longer logistic train, the majority of the train was safe and there was no threat to production at all. The soviets didn't really have a navy, much less one that would allow them to take on the US. Most of the soviets production facilities were in range of B-29s launched from Germany and their entire native oil production at the time was well within striking range of the US. We could harass their entire logistics line from production to delivery while they could only attack ours, assuming they actually could get some kind of air strikes at all, for a short distance. A long but uninterpretable supply line beats a short but constantly battling one every time.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They invaded in the summer, but winter conditions were a problem in 41-42 because the Germans didn't have winter gear.
    Thereby one of Hitler's stubborn orders was to sent them to die to the colds of freaking Siberian winter nevertheless!
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Thereby one of Hitler's stubborn orders was to sent them to die to the colds of freaking Siberian winter nevertheless!
    Wrong part of Russia there buddy.
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