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  • Napoleon Bonaparta

    6 13.95%
  • Genghis Khan

    11 25.58%
  • Julius Caesar

    5 11.63%
  • Salah ad-Din, Yusuf ibn Ayyub

    1 2.33%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    0 0%
  • Alexander the Great

    11 25.58%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

    2 4.65%
  • Charles Martel

    0 0%
  • Sun Tzu

    6 13.95%
  • Akbar the Great

    1 2.33%
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Alexander was half Dardanian. His mother came from the Dardanian sub-tribe of Mollos.
    Well, yes. Olympias was the daughter of Neoptolemus I who was, in fact, king of the Molossians.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Even with Rommel, the Third Reich would have still lost. If they wanted to win a war, they should have changed courses at least from around the early 1930s. It's a miracle that they lasted for so long.
    The Germans lost because of the mistakes Hitler forced his generals to make.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Germans lost because of the mistakes Hitler forced his generals to make.
    This is one of those enduring but self-serving myths that was largely pushed by Hitlers defeated Generals after the war. It is highly doubtful that even if his commanders had free reign that the war would have turned out dramatically different. It would have merely lasted a little longer.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This is one of those enduring but self-serving myths that was largely pushed by Hitlers defeated Generals after the war. It is highly doubtful that even if his commanders had free reign that the war would have turned out dramatically different. It would have merely lasted a little longer.
    It's not a myth, that if Hitler had allowed his commanders to excercise elastic defenses, when necessary and chosen not to do battle at Stalingrad and Kursk, the war would have gone differently.

    British intelligence being fed to the Soviets was a big reason that Kursk was a slam dunk. Would that intelligence stream created the same scenario on a different battlefield? Probably, unless the Germans didn't decide to put themselves in a winner take all scenario, like they did at Stalingrad and Kursk.

    The real myth, is that a German defeat was a forgone conclusion from the git-go.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    British intelligence being fed to the Soviets was a big reason that Kursk was a slam dunk. Would that intelligence stream created the same scenario on a different battlefield? Probably, unless the Germans didn't decide to put themselves in a winner take all scenario, like they did at Stalingrad and Kursk.

    The real myth, is that a German defeat was a forgone conclusion from the git-go.
    While I do agree the war would of gone differently, could Germany really overcome the combined resources of the Allies and the Soviets? You speak of a defense strategy and I do agree that would of made a difference. If Hitler would of just allowed for a break out of Stalingrad, instead of ordering to defend to the last, you wouldn't of had an entire army wiped out. But I think for the Germans to truly turn the tied, they really needed a jet by late 1943-1944, to counter American Air Superiority.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not a myth, that if Hitler had allowed his commanders to excercise elastic defenses, when necessary and chosen not to do battle at Stalingrad and Kursk, the war would have gone differently.

    British intelligence being fed to the Soviets was a big reason that Kursk was a slam dunk. Would that intelligence stream created the same scenario on a different battlefield? Probably, unless the Germans didn't decide to put themselves in a winner take all scenario, like they did at Stalingrad and Kursk.

    The real myth, is that a German defeat was a forgone conclusion from the git-go.
    Have you ever read Robert Harris' Fatherland?

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    Fatherland, Robert Harris, Wikipedia

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not a myth, that if Hitler had allowed his commanders to excercise elastic defenses, when necessary and chosen not to do battle at Stalingrad and Kursk, the war would have gone differently.

    British intelligence being fed to the Soviets was a big reason that Kursk was a slam dunk. Would that intelligence stream created the same scenario on a different battlefield? Probably, unless the Germans didn't decide to put themselves in a winner take all scenario, like they did at Stalingrad and Kursk.

    The real myth, is that a German defeat was a forgone conclusion from the git-go.
    I strongly disagree. Let's look at both of those examples for a moment. At Stalingrad the only difference would have been the extrication of a German army group, at Kursk it would have been a single breakthrough victory that would never have shattered the Soviet military or regained their position in the East. The only major difference would have been that more troops would have escaped the Soviet Union and the war would have lasted longer. The end would have been the same--German defeat.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This is one of those enduring but self-serving myths that was largely pushed by Hitlers defeated Generals after the war. It is highly doubtful that even if his commanders had free reign that the war would have turned out dramatically different. It would have merely lasted a little longer.
    The single biggest factor in Germany's defeat is also why the Soviet Union was so vulnerable immediately following the war. Logistics. Bullets, beans and especially petrol.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I strongly disagree. Let's look at both of those examples for a moment. At Stalingrad the only difference would have been the extrication of a German army group, at Kursk it would have been a single breakthrough victory that would never have shattered the Soviet military or regained their position in the East. The only major difference would have been that more troops would have escaped the Soviet Union and the war would have lasted longer. The end would have been the same--German defeat.
    That's my point, had the German not engaged in either of those battles and concentrated their combat power on objectives that more operational importance. Prior to both of those battles the Soviets had a casualtu rate that meant they would run out of men before the Germans did.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's my point, had the German not engaged in either of those battles and concentrated their combat power on objectives that more operational importance. Prior to both of those battles the Soviets had a casualtu rate that meant they would run out of men before the Germans did.
    This was no better demonstrated than with the initial objectives with Barbarossa. Originially, the objective were the rich oil fields in the south, and Stalingrad was only meant as a diversion. Hitler's ego turned it into the focus.

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