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For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

Should Corporate/Privatized prisons be outlawed?


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Judges that get paid off. Was a big story... a few judges made tons of money giving stiffer sentences and were caught.

That's what I figured.

It is not an indicator for the idea as a whole, though.

The success of not-for-profit prisons should (hopefully) force improvements in the current state run facilities.
 
I do recall reading something about this, and that is criminal activity that absolutely positively should be punished, as it was in this case.

I'm just saying the sole fact of having to pay for beds whether or not they are occupied is not in and of itself an incentive to sentence people to prison.

Again, I'm saying this as someone who is not a fan of private prisons -- I'll also throw out there that I'm not a fan of the American justice system in general. I just didn't think that objection was particularly valid.
There's political pressure from constituents to fill beds if they're being paid for.

"What do you mean we're paying for empty beds?!?"
 
Of course, if you can make more laws making more things illegal, you will have more prisoners and keep all the prisons full. Good Corporate marketing entails getting more laws and harsher sentences passed. You do recognize the problem if they are not full up because as a business that leads to bankruptcy. Ergo, have your lobbyists pay legislators to get more laws passed and sentences extended. Even local jails fight to get Federal prisoners because it pays so good.

Full prisons means a need for more prisons, and a profit-incentive for those running the prisons wants to build more prisons and thus gain more profit.
 
Of course, if you can make more laws making more things illegal, you will have more prisoners and keep all the prisons full. Good Corporate marketing entails getting more laws and harsher sentences passed. You do recognize the problem if they are not full up because as a business that leads to bankruptcy. Ergo, have your lobbyists pay legislators to get more laws passed and sentences extended. Even local jails fight to get Federal prisoners because it pays so good.

That's a far more reasonable objection, except that given the hysteria in today's political environment and the drive to be "tough on crime" and overcriminalization in general, I'd say they don't really need to hire lobbyists.
 
There's political pressure from constituents to fill beds if they're being paid for.

"What do you mean we're paying for empty beds?!?"

Really? I've heard and seen all sorts of ludicrous points raised in arguments over current events, somehow I missed the empty bed argument. :)
 
That's a far more reasonable objection, except that given the hysteria in today's political environment and the drive to be "tough on crime" and overcriminalization in general, I'd say they don't really need to hire lobbyists.
Are you really that blind to how things work? "Tough on crime" is only the beginning. Lobbyists convince politicians to let private industry do it rather than the government.
 
Are you really that blind to how things work? "Tough on crime" is only the beginning. Lobbyists convince politicians to let private industry do it rather than the government.

Seeing as how my once-rosy view of the system was pretty radically altered by personal experience, no, I don't think I'm blind to how things work. I'm just saying that the drive to put people in prison has very little to do with empty beds, and that politicians are in such a race to look like they're "doing something" that the private prison industry doesn't need to spend money to make it easier for people to go to prison.
 
That's what I figured.

It is not an indicator for the idea as a whole, though.

The success of not-for-profit prisons should (hopefully) force improvements in the current state run facilities.

Dude, with morality capitalism trumps government any day of the week. I am in favor of capitalism and private enterprise... it is just that they have to be held accountable. You hear stories about a cities water being run by the city and it is crap... a private company takes over and it is elevated to near perfection. I would like the same for prisons it is just that I trust judges as low as I trust Lawyers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance and salesmen.
 
Dude, with morality capitalism trumps government any day of the week. I am in favor of capitalism and private enterprise... it is just that they have to be held accountable. You hear stories about a cities water being run by the city and it is crap... a private company takes over and it is elevated to near perfection. I would like the same for prisons it is just that I trust judges as low as I trust Lawyers, pharmaceutical companies, insurance and salesmen.

Yea, I know.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

You just can't win.

You can be sure that the state will turn a blind eye once the conversion takes place, and then cry foul when a problem arises that was not caught because they ignored their oversight duties.
 
Yea, I know.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

You just can't win.

You can be sure that the state will turn a blind eye once the conversion takes place, and then cry foul when a problem arises that was not caught because they ignored their oversight duties.

After going through the Court process 3 times I trust judges almost zero. There would have to be some massive regulation. A review board of all cases to find judicial misconduct... but then that is probably worse than the government system we already have.
 
After going through the Court process 3 times I trust judges almost zero. There would have to be some massive regulation. A review board of all cases to find judicial misconduct... but then that is probably worse than the government system we already have.

Best judges money can buy!
 
For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

"As private prisons become the norm in the United States, it's time society takes a look at the institution and asks, "Are prisons really being used as rehabilitation/deterrence for crime, or have private interests started attaching price tags to lawbreakers’ heads and exploited their incarceration for profit?"
Here are several key statistics that paint an ugly, troubling picture of the for-profit prison system in America:
500% Increase
The biggest private prison owner in America, The Corrections Corporation of America, has seen its profits increase by more than 500% in the past 20 years. Moreover, the business’ growth shows no sign of stopping, having already approached 48 states to take over government-run prisons.
10-60 Pounds Lighter
One way for-profit prisons to minimize costs is by skimping on provisions, including food. A psychiatrist who investigated a privately run prison in Mississippi found that the inmates were severely underfed and looked “almost emaciated.” During their incarceration, prisoners dropped anywhere from 10 to 60 pounds.
100%
100% of all military helmets, ID tags, bullet-proof vests and canteens are created in federal prison systems through prison labor. Though prisoners are “generously” compensated cents per hour, it’s clear having this inexpensive, exploited labor force is critical to the military industrial complex. I bet that the irony that mostly non-violent offenders are making war gear for others to perpetuate violence abroad without consequence is not lost on many of the inmates.
90% Occupancy
States sign agreements with private prisons to guarantee that they will fill a certain number of beds in jail at any given point. The most common rate is 90%, though some prisons are able to snag a 100% promise from their local governments. Because of these contracts, the state is obligated to keep prisons almost full at all times or pay for the beds anyway, so the incentive is to incarcerate more people and for longer in order to fill the quota.
25%
One in every four people that is incarcerated worldwide is held captive in a United States jail. How is it that a country with only 5% of the world’s population has 25% of all the inmates? Simple: prisoners are source of revenue for private companies, so the demand for incarcerating them is especially high.
11 Times
Violent crimes are down overall, so how does the United States keep prisons stocked instead? Amplifying the war on drugs: there are now 11 times as many people in jail for drug convictions than there were in 1980, constituting 50% of the prison population. Longer mandatory minimum sentences also keeps the inmates in longer. Most people incarcerated for drug charges are non-violent, have no prior record, and are addicts rather than major drug-traffickers.
50%
Nearly half of all detained immigrants are held in privately owned facilities. The fact that ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has stepped up its game to detain more undocumented immigrants – about 400,000 each year – has actually increased the need for private systems as most detainees will linger in the system waiting for court dates for months if not years.
Civil rights groups have deemed the quality of care provided in immigrant detention centers unacceptable, particularly because of the large numbers of preventable fatalities and sexual assaults.
$45 million
The three largest for-profit prison corporations have spent more than $45 million on campaign donations and lobbyists to keep politicians on the side of privatized incarceration. In light of all of their ethical violations, it’s obvious that they have to offer some incentive for keeping their business legal."

25% of World's prison population in USA jails. WOW!
50% of prison population drug users.
Is there something wrong with this picture.
It seems like a conflict of interest for law enforcement to guarantee occupancy.
Why are there so many prisoners in US jails. Is it about profit.
Drug and immigrant enforcement will be good for jail business.
I have two primary pet issues... civil asset forfeiture and wrongful convictions. But, the issue of profit incentive anywhere in the justice system, especially in forms such as for-profit prisons, could very well be elevated and make it my Big Three. Doesn't hurt that this ties in with the other two.
 
"The law" has a financial incentive to give those kids two years for a pack of gum due to for-profit prisons.

And who makes the law? And tell me again are all prisons privately run and if not then the government run prisons have kids that got a two yrs for stealing a pack of gum. And you are OK with a kid getting two yrs if it's a government run prison.
 
So if it's not in the "Recommendations" section at the end, it doesn't exist? READ. THE. ****ING. REPORT.

The idea that you're somehow denying that the private prison lobby would actually, yanno, lobby for policies in its favor when it's right there in the report is beyond me. It's like you're trying to be as intellectually dishonest as humanly possible.

That is exactly right, I rest my case. I ask, if all that you say is in the report why was there "NO Recommendation" to correct anything.
 
That is exactly right, I rest my case. I ask, if all that you say is in the report why was there "NO Recommendation" to correct anything.

Because with the way the law works now, it's not correctable.

If that's you "resting your case," you haven't made an argument, so I don't see anyone ruling in your favor. The report's there. The fact that you have chosen to utterly ignore all but the last three paragraphs is proof positive you have no interest in having a serious discussion.
 
As long as the justice system revolves around profitability an meeting quotas, there can never be justice.

Our system is broken for anyone who can't afford a good lawyer.
 
A thousand times yes. End the war on drugs as well, a total failure.
 
That is exactly right, I rest my case. I ask, if all that you say is in the report why was there "NO Recommendation" to correct anything.
Throughout this thread you have come off as a good compliant little drone who blindly accepts whatever the government tells him. This post confirms it.
 
If that's you "resting your case," you haven't made an argument, so I don't see anyone ruling in your favor. The report's there. The fact that you have chosen to utterly ignore all but the last three paragraphs is proof positive you have no interest in having a serious discussion.

Now to the above, the report you quoted made no recommendations what so ever regarding private run corrections. If there had been recommendations regrading the private run companies then we would have something talk about. You can spend all your time going through the report and quote this and that, but in the end their own report came up with NO RECOMMENDATIONS to do anything regarding the private companies. Zip zero, nada, nothing, period.

So yeah, I rest my case on the Recommendations. There was none regarding private companies.
 
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Throughout this thread you have come off as a good compliant little drone who blindly accepts whatever the government tells him. This post confirms it.

What!!!!! Try and explain exactly what you just said.
 
A thousand times yes. End the war on drugs as well, a total failure.

War on Drugs, interesting, the world is full of drugs, most all drugs are illegal, even prescription drugs without a Dr. subscription. Illegal drugs can range from blood pressure pills, pain pills, to raw heroin, to pot. However this is not the thread to debate this issue. Start a thread, I'll look for it.
 
Abso-freakin-lutely.

This is one of the biggest disagreement's I had with Gary Johnson.

You don't make the dollar an incentive for imprisoning people. This really should be a no-brainer...
 
"It's not correctable" then all this private run correction facility BS is all about nothing.

The LOBBYING isn't correctable. They could just end all of this by BANNING PRIVATE PRISONS, but that wasn't the intent of the report.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to admit that private prisons lobby lawmakers for conditions favorable to private prisons. Which is what that report that you ignored clearly states.
 
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