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Thread: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Once I saw that show where kids were getting two years in prison for stealing a pack of gum, or some other idiotic little thing, I was against for profit prisons.
    Tell me again what does the law and a person getting two years in prison have to do with who runs it.

    I guess you would be OK with a kid getting two years in prison for stealing a pack of gum if the prison was government run.
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The private prison lobby has a vested interest in supporting candidates who will vote for laws that funnel more people into their incarceration mills.
    Proof please
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Proof please
    http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads...the_system.pdf

    This report sums things up nicely.
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems



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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Lets see, you say the private correction facilities have power over law makers who make the laws and set sentences. They have the power over the police that enforce the laws, power over the judges that sentence and power over the juries that convict criminals. All to get more inmates into prisons.

    From your site.

    "The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the

    relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and
    sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are
    currently proscribed by our criminal laws. For instance, any changes with respect

    to drugs and controlled substances or illegal immigration could affect the number
    of persons arrested, convicted, and sentenced, thereby potentially reducing
    demand for correctional facilities to house them. Legislation has been proposed in

    numerous jurisdictions that could lower minimum sentences for some non-

    violent crimes and make more inmates eligible for early release based on good behavior.

    Also, sentencing alternatives under consideration could put some offenders on

    probation with electronic monitoring who would otherwise be incarcerated.
    Similarly, reductions in crime rates or resources dedicated to prevent and enforce

    crime could lead to reductions in arrests, convictions and
    sentences requiring incarceration at correctional facilities.

    ~ CORRECTIONS CORPORATION OF AMERICA 2010 ANNUAL REPORT
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Lets see, you say the private correction facilities have power over law makers who make the laws and set sentences. Are you serious

    From your site.

    "The demand for our facilities and services could be adversely affected by the

    relaxation of enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction or parole standards and
    sentencing practices or through the decriminalization of certain activities that are
    currently proscribed by our criminal laws. For instance, any changes with respect

    to drugs and controlled substances or illegal immigration could affect the number
    of persons arrested, convicted, and sentenced, thereby potentially reducing
    demand for correctional facilities to house them. Legislation has been proposed in

    numerous jurisdictions that could lower minimum sentences for some non-

    violent crimes and make more inmates eligible for early release based on good behavior.

    Also, sentencing alternatives under consideration could put some offenders on

    probation with electronic monitoring who would otherwise be incarcerated.
    Similarly, reductions in crime rates or resources dedicated to prevent and enforce

    crime could lead to reductions in arrests, convictions and
    sentences requiring incarceration at correctional facilities.

    ~ CORRECTIONS CORPORATION OF AMERICA 2010 ANNUAL REPORT
    What on earth are you talking about? That's an internal report from a private prison company basically stating that reduced sentences, increased use of electronic monitoring and drug decriminalization, among other things, would lessen demand for their "product." Nowhere does that talk about the lobbying efforts by said private prison companies, which are detailed in the pdf I linked to.

    Are claiming that the private prison companies don't lobby for harsher sentencing and against things like decriminalization of drugs?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Read Part 6 "recommendations" and show me where it says that private correction facilities do anything except run prisons.
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The private prison lobby has a vested interest in supporting candidates who will vote for laws that funnel more people into their incarceration mills.
    yes. it rarely comes up in the campaign, but the lobbiests know whom to back.
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Read Part 6 "recommendations" and show me where it says that private correction facilities do anything except run prisons.
    Did you skip over the entire report until the end or something?
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    Re: For-Profit Prisons: Eight Statistics That Show the Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    yes. it rarely comes up in the campaign, but the lobbiests know whom to back.
    And just who would these lobbyist be? And how much power do they have to get anyone elected. I suggest you provide proof that private correction facilities lobby to get stricter laws so that the prison population grows so to force building of more prisons to make more money.

    I don't have a damn thing to do with a private prison company but I sure want stricter laws for some crimes and I'm for the death penalty which takes people out of the prison system. I would bet you are against the death penalty and therefore support more prison time.
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