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unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

What will today's end of benefits for 1.3m Americans mean for this forum?


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A big and I think overlooked potential solution to the unemployment problem in America is too many people see working for someone else as their path to success when our economy today desperately needs more business owners. More efforts need to be taken to encourage Americans to start small businesses and offer solid business training and mentoring.
 
A big and I think overlooked potential solution to the unemployment problem in America is too many people see working for someone else as their path to success when our economy today desperately needs more business owners. More efforts need to be taken to encourage Americans to start small businesses and offer solid business training and mentoring.

I tried to start a chain of pool halls called "Shart Attack" and the SBA wouldn't help me, man.
 
I tried to start a chain of pool halls called "Shart Attack" and the SBA wouldn't help me, man.

Key words: "solid business training." This would include understanding market research strategies so that an entrepenure learns how to compile trustworthy data that would tell him if there's a market for his product or service and how much the public is willing to pay for it if there is a market.
 
Key words: "solid business training." This would include understanding market research strategies so that an epretepure understand how to compile data that would tell him if there's a market for his product or service and how much the public is willing to pay for it if there is a market.

There is always a market for a new pool hall, man — always.
 
The economy is going great from what I heard. So it's time to make temporary benefits, temporary again.
 
There is always a market for a new pool hall, man — always.

Then the data will show that and we just added another employer to the economy with jobs that cannot be shipped to the third world.
 
A big and I think overlooked potential solution to the unemployment problem in America is too many people see working for someone else as their path to success when our economy today desperately needs more business owners. More efforts need to be taken to encourage Americans to start small businesses and offer solid business training and mentoring.

How, specifically, and at what level of gov't? Will that new gov't program target mainly unemployed morons or must one have a solid track record of working and being financially sound first?
 
The economy is going great from what I heard. So it's time to make temporary benefits, temporary again.

That makes sense, but so does having a law basing the UI extensions on the unemployment rate instead of "its time to cut this tiny bit of spending" while actually increasing total federal spending. I am all for cutting spending, but to cut aid only to those that were working while leaving it intact for those that did not work (recently) is sending a very bad message.
 
I'd say when the unemployment runs out like this, we're soon going to see an increase in the employment numbers.

The only person I know who uses unemployment as it's supposed to be used is a guy in construction. Everyone else I know who uses it? Take it for a paid vacation.

Seriously? How many people do you know collecting right now? Do you think that you can make an accurate assessment based upon that?

You must know that plenty of people are out of work of no fault of their own but because of the poor economic conditions and that there are not many jobs available. Checked out your local help wanted ads lately?
 
I'd say when the unemployment runs out like this, we're soon going to see an increase in the employment numbers.

The only person I know who uses unemployment as it's supposed to be used is a guy in construction. Everyone else I know who uses it? Take it for a paid vacation.

Are you implying that seasonal workers should be taxpayer subsidized on a permanent basis? Teachers are paid for 9 to 10 months of work but do not get unemployment during their seasonal break. Construction workers' like golf course maintenance workers, teachers and other seasonal workers know that their are slack times (winter). It should not be up to the taxpayers to pay someone not to work on a regular basis.
 
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Seriously? How many people do you know collecting right now? Do you think that you can make an accurate assessment based upon that?

You must know that plenty of people are out of work of no fault of their own but because of the poor economic conditions and that there are not many jobs available. Checked out your local help wanted ads lately?

Are you slept today, or spent all night at the forum?:shock:
 
Are you slept today, or spent all night at the forum?:shock:

How does this relate to the topic and how is it any of your business?
 
Seriously? How many people do you know collecting right now? Do you think that you can make an accurate assessment based upon that?

You must know that plenty of people are out of work of no fault of their own but because of the poor economic conditions and that there are not many jobs available. Checked out your local help wanted ads lately?

Yeah, you're probably right. Pretty jaded outlook. But that is how people evaluate these programs, like it or not.

I know one woman who, at 63, lost her job, and began collecting partial SS and unemployment (for the maximum). She never looked for work. When her benefits ran out, she began collecting her full SS. Very well thought out and not what the system was designed for.

Two other people signed up as soon as they lost their jobs and started their own businesses. Used unemployment as their safety net while they started up their companies. Again, not what it was designed for. They never looked for jobs. When one's unemployment ran out, he had built himself a successful business. (The money was taken in in his wife's name while he was receiving it.) The other got a "real job" immediately after his benefits ran out. While both of these people were collecting, they were not looking for jobs.

I know two or three other people who got jobs in cash businesses and continued collecting their benefits until they ran out. Then went 'on the books'.

I know damned well the system is mightily abused. And I also know damned well that it's sorely needed. *shrug*
 
Are you implying that seasonal workers should be taxpayer subsidized on a permanent basis? Teachers are paid for 9 to 10 months of work but do get unemployment during their seasonal break. Construction workers' like golf course maintenance workers, teachers and other seasonal workers know that their are slack times (winter). It should not be up to the taxpayers to pay someone not to work on a regular basis.

I know it's legal to do that. Not sure how I feel. (It's not legal in our state for teachers to get unemployment. Don't know about other states. It used to be legal here, though.)
 
Yeah, you're probably right. Pretty jaded outlook. But that is how people evaluate these programs, like it or not.

I know one woman who, at 63, lost her job, and began collecting partial SS and unemployment (for the maximum). She never looked for work. When her benefits ran out, she began collecting her full SS. Very well thought out and not what the system was designed for.

Two other people signed up as soon as they lost their jobs and started their own businesses. Used unemployment as their safety net while they started up their companies. Again, not what it was designed for. They never looked for jobs. When one's unemployment ran out, he had built himself a successful business. (The money was taken in in his wife's name while he was receiving it.) The other got a "real job" immediately after his benefits ran out. While both of these people were collecting, they were not looking for jobs.

I know two or three other people who got jobs in cash businesses and continued collecting their benefits until they ran out. Then went 'on the books'.

I know damned well the system is mightily abused. And I also know damned well that it's sorely needed. *shrug*

I don't know how people can have businesses and collect unemployment. That is illegal. You have to report ALL earnings. If you know people who are doing this, you can report them because it's fraud.
 
Just imagine your third day unshaven face.

Look. I'm not even going to bother dealing with your immaturity. I'm just going to report you now.
 
We are back at the subsidization argument again. Should we keep giving the money to the Big Banks and Corporations or to the individuals. I don't see any gov't programs that encourage local development and jobs. On the contrary, subsidization of Big Corporate locks individuals out of the necessary shelf space for markets. Regulators make it difficult to compete in existing markets and inadequate access to financing makes start ups difficult. Look at Green energy. Big Corporate tries to prevent local renewable energy because it competes against their long term monopoly and they are succeeding. It is the same in every market. That is where the gov't can, but does not help.
 
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You can't collect a salary or any money without reporting it to unemployment if you are receiving benefits. That is fraud. You are specifically asked if you made any money between specific dates for which you are collecting. People who do this are stealing money from people who actually need it.

However, a business owner CAN collect unemployment if his business isn't making enough money I believe, and that is probably the case with more than a few small business owners.
 
Yeah, you're probably right. Pretty jaded outlook. But that is how people evaluate these programs, like it or not.

I know one woman who, at 63, lost her job, and began collecting partial SS and unemployment (for the maximum). She never looked for work. When her benefits ran out, she began collecting her full SS. Very well thought out and not what the system was designed for.

Two other people signed up as soon as they lost their jobs and started their own businesses. Used unemployment as their safety net while they started up their companies. Again, not what it was designed for. They never looked for jobs. When one's unemployment ran out, he had built himself a successful business. (The money was taken in in his wife's name while he was receiving it.) The other got a "real job" immediately after his benefits ran out. While both of these people were collecting, they were not looking for jobs.

I know two or three other people who got jobs in cash businesses and continued collecting their benefits until they ran out. Then went 'on the books'.

I know damned well the system is mightily abused. And I also know damned well that it's sorely needed. *shrug*

That is exactly the problem with these programs, they sound good, but the fraud is overwhelming. Why the government cannot police these programs better is beyond me.
 
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