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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Are you kidding? Americans love crazy poor people. Think about all the criminally frauds you could put on television in the process of going hysterical and raging at The Man for taking away what They Were Owed.
    Personally, I'm sick and tired of reality shows. There are way too many.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think you are correct.



    Sad.

    As of Jan 15 I am out of a job as well, and don't have another one lined up yet (stupid holiday season). If I hit that date without anything, I'm wondering if I should apply, given that I have savings.
    You should apply.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Personally, I'm sick and tired of reality shows. There are way too many.
    Look, if we are rotting out the people's brains, desensitizing their souls to the suffering of others, and turning destructive criminal behavior into amusing sport rather than something to be shunned..... but can also make oodles of money off of it?!?

    Cmon Chris - it's the American Way!

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You should apply.
    But I do not (as of yet) require it to survive or feed/house/clothe my family.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, you're probably right. Pretty jaded outlook. But that is how people evaluate these programs, like it or not.

    I know one woman who, at 63, lost her job, and began collecting partial SS and unemployment (for the maximum). She never looked for work. When her benefits ran out, she began collecting her full SS. Very well thought out and not what the system was designed for.

    Two other people signed up as soon as they lost their jobs and started their own businesses. Used unemployment as their safety net while they started up their companies. Again, not what it was designed for. They never looked for jobs. When one's unemployment ran out, he had built himself a successful business. (The money was taken in in his wife's name while he was receiving it.) The other got a "real job" immediately after his benefits ran out. While both of these people were collecting, they were not looking for jobs.

    I know two or three other people who got jobs in cash businesses and continued collecting their benefits until they ran out. Then went 'on the books'.

    I know damned well the system is mightily abused. And I also know damned well that it's sorely needed. *shrug*
    I don't see anything wrong with each of those scenarios. The gov't subsidized the guy building the business with unemployment and now he is a business and a taxpayer and may even have employees paying taxes. A success story for unemployment. The 63 year old woman probably never drew unemployment before in her life and was well-advised by her counselors. It always takes time for "cash businesses" to succeed and also takes entrepreneurial skills to get started. Its just temporary subsidization and a hell of a lot better than giving JP Morgan Chase or GE or Haliburton or Exxon/Mobil another thin dime. If you want to cry about subsidization, look at the Corporate Welfare Queens where the big monies are stolen. Repair the big problem first, then the small problem.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes but unemployment is based on taxation of employees and employers. It's not really a "hand-out" at all. You pay into it, and if you've paid in enough, you are entitled to collect some when you need to. As far as extensions go, I'm not really sure how those are funded.
    You only pay into it so much though....the extension to (is it 26 or 29 months?) goes beyond what was paid into it and when that happens it's just another welfare model. It seems though that in the old days (I know that sounds bad) you had to drag your ass down to the unemployment office, prove you had interviews, proved you made an attempt at getting work and then got your check. This happened weekly. Today you just send an email - how much checking is really done? The other thing is, people are holding out for a job in their area. Now that's not necessarily a bad thing but at month 20, if they're not getting hits, it's time to start downgrading their expectations and getting work where they can. Too many, from my observations, are holding out for their $60k job that just isn't materializing and are insulted when confronted with a $24k job at a brick and mortar store.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    But I do not (as of yet) require it to survive or feed/house/clothe my family.
    The reason for unemployment compensation is a hand up. Either you or your employer pays for it depending upon your state. You aren't meant to exhaust your savings/emergency funds before applying for it. If you are genuinely unemployed and looking for work? There's no moral high ground here. If you are entitled to it and collect it honestly? You'd be a fool to not take advantage of it.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The reason for unemployment compensation is a hand up. Either you or your employer pays for it depending upon your state. You aren't meant to exhaust your savings/emergency funds before applying for it. If you are genuinely unemployed and looking for work? There's no moral high ground here. If you are entitled to it and collect it honestly? You'd be a fool to not take advantage of it.
    I have noticed that some folks will not do this until it's absolutely required, and I appreciate that view. I wish those currently milking the system had the same perspective, and maybe we wouldn't be in this quandary. Then again, if the economy was as healthy as many claim, there'd be plenty of jobs and the problem could largely be dismissed. There will always be those who abuse whatever is available to them, and we will never make people honest. That's a personal endeavor that government systems will never correct. I do agree that the military in particular should not have to expend hard gained savings in order to survive until employment is found. They've already offered their lives. What more should be required?

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd say when the unemployment runs out like this, we're soon going to see an increase in the employment numbers.

    The only person I know who uses unemployment as it's supposed to be used is a guy in construction. Everyone else I know who uses it? Take it for a paid vacation.
    A "paid vacation" is incidentally the same way I used it — when I was employed in pipeline construction.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You only pay into it so much though....the extension to (is it 26 or 29 months?) goes beyond what was paid into it and when that happens it's just another welfare model. It seems though that in the old days (I know that sounds bad) you had to drag your ass down to the unemployment office, prove you had interviews, proved you made an attempt at getting work and then got your check. This happened weekly. Today you just send an email - how much checking is really done? The other thing is, people are holding out for a job in their area. Now that's not necessarily a bad thing but at month 20, if they're not getting hits, it's time to start downgrading their expectations and getting work where they can. Too many, from my observations, are holding out for their $60k job that just isn't materializing and are insulted when confronted with a $24k job at a brick and mortar store.
    It's the same, just instead of filling out a card, everything is done either over the telephone or on the computer. That's the only difference as far as I know. I don't know where funding comes for unemployment extensions, so I can't comment on that.

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