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Thread: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It would be incredibly labor intensive, and I don't know if you would be able to generate the savings that would more than compensate for the increase in the need to hire people.



    Maybe we could hire the current unemployed to do the labor of checking up on fraud, and pay them via a bonus system. You get 25% of all monies you save the government, or something.
    I think they already do (or maybe used to) offer rewards for turning people in for welfare/unemployment fraud, to just any citizen.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I know a lot of dudes that have done it. Every single member of the military is told when they are getting out that they qualify for unemployment, and should apply for it while they are waiting for school or their next job to pick up. It's one of the reasons our "vet unemployment" numbers are disproportionately higher. Most of them used it as Maggie described it - basically a paid vacation until they got on with their lives. They were following the rules, doing what the government told them to do, and once they hit school or their next job they got off - it was hardly fraudulent.
    Well I can understand that in a way, because they are going to be deployed in the future, they are going to have a VERY rough time at finding any employer that is willing to hire them. No employer wants to go through the trouble only to have their employee leave unexpectedly.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think they already do (or maybe used to) offer rewards for turning people in for welfare/unemployment fraud, to just any citizen.
    I smell a Reality TV Show / Bounty Hunter Spinoff in there somewhere.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well I can understand that in a way, because they are going to be deployed in the future, they are going to have a VERY rough time at finding any employer that is willing to hire them. No employer wants to go through the trouble only to have their employee leave unexpectedly.
    Uh, no. Sorry, I may have been unclear - they get told this when they are getting out. Going into the Individual Ready Reserve. The only chance they have of getting deployed at this point is if Canada invades.

    The main problem they face with employers is the "oh crap every veteran has PTSD and is going to be a liability nightmare for me" bias.


    But Wal-Mart's CEO made it company policy that every single veteran of Iraq/Afghanistan who walked in looking for a job would leave with one, regardless of whether the store needed a new position filled or not. They could all have gone and gotten jobs.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I smell a Reality TV Show / Bounty Hunter Spinoff in there somewhere.
    Probably be kind of boring though.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    The bottom line is people will have to start tightening their belts. The one item that makes me think of this story on CNN

    I'm praying for a job - Help! My unemployment benefits just expired - CNNMoney

    First, he bought a house in 2006, lost his job in 2012 and rejected relocation to keep working and has fallen on hard times. His decision to not relocate in retrospect was a bad one especially since he's got health issues, is 60 years old and has a limited skill set. He's looking for the government stipend to let him keep his house without working though he claims he's sent out 84 resumes with little to no prospects. Proactively, he should probably sell his house without taking the foreclosure hit, downsize to something less expensive like a condo or townhouse, and he may have to take a job which is not in his skill set. They may have to eat less and crunch the numbers to make ends meet. Welfare is an option yet that's just moving from one government subsidy to another. It does make me feel bad for these folks - but I don't know the whole story and even if I did, EUB are not supposed to be a welfare substitute. People need to plan better and not depend on handouts and they need to do this earlier in life. Yes, some get caught no matter how much planning and saving they do and fall on hard times which is why welfare was created - yet I'd bet that this guy would rather take welfare than have to work at Walmart as a greeter, or get a job for $10 an hour in Home Depot.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How, specifically, and at what level of gov't? Will that new gov't program target mainly unemployed morons or must one have a solid track record of working and being financially sound first?
    Not suggesting the unemployed by targeted (but certainly not excluded either) but the mostly employed population. They get their own businesses going and they've opened up their jobs for someone else, plus maybe hire some people themselves.

    Level government involvement? I'm not sure. Beyond the things already being done; PR campaigns, subsidized business classes at colleges, local and state incentives like tax amnesty for a while if they move into certain locations, great deals on renting space in vacant buildings like a section 8 deal of new business. That's just off the top of mind. I think groups like the Chamber of commerce and the JCs are probably better at doing a lot of the leg work in working with new businsses than the government.
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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Probably be kind of boring though.
    Are you kidding? Americans love crazy poor people. Think about all the criminally frauds you could put on television in the process of going hysterical and raging at The Man for taking away what They Were Owed.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Definitely apply. You've paid in to the system and "earned" the right. Perhaps the unemployment monies will tide you over while you start a business or who knows what?

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The bottom line is people will have to start tightening their belts. The one item that makes me think of this story on CNN

    I'm praying for a job - Help! My unemployment benefits just expired - CNNMoney

    First, he bought a house in 2006, lost his job in 2012 and rejected relocation to keep working and has fallen on hard times. His decision to not relocate in retrospect was a bad one especially since he's got health issues, is 60 years old and has a limited skill set. He's looking for the government stipend to let him keep his house without working though he claims he's sent out 84 resumes with little to no prospects. Proactively, he should probably sell his house without taking the foreclosure hit, downsize to something less expensive like a condo or townhouse, and he may have to take a job which is not in his skill set. They may have to eat less and crunch the numbers to make ends meet. Welfare is an option yet that's just moving from one government subsidy to another. It does make me feel bad for these folks - but I don't know the whole story and even if I did, EUB are not supposed to be a welfare substitute. People need to plan better and not depend on handouts and they need to do this earlier in life. Yes, some get caught no matter how much planning and saving they do and fall on hard times which is why welfare was created - yet I'd bet that this guy would rather take welfare than have to work at Walmart as a greeter, or get a job for $10 an hour in Home Depot.
    Yes but unemployment is based on taxation of employees and employers. It's not really a "hand-out" at all. You pay into it, and if you've paid in enough, you are entitled to collect some when you need to. As far as extensions go, I'm not really sure how those are funded.

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