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Thread: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, you're probably right. Pretty jaded outlook. But that is how people evaluate these programs, like it or not.

    I know one woman who, at 63, lost her job, and began collecting partial SS and unemployment (for the maximum). She never looked for work. When her benefits ran out, she began collecting her full SS. Very well thought out and not what the system was designed for.

    Two other people signed up as soon as they lost their jobs and started their own businesses. Used unemployment as their safety net while they started up their companies. Again, not what it was designed for. They never looked for jobs. When one's unemployment ran out, he had built himself a successful business. (The money was taken in in his wife's name while he was receiving it.) The other got a "real job" immediately after his benefits ran out. While both of these people were collecting, they were not looking for jobs.

    I know two or three other people who got jobs in cash businesses and continued collecting their benefits until they ran out. Then went 'on the books'.

    I know damned well the system is mightily abused. And I also know damned well that it's sorely needed. *shrug*
    I don't know how people can have businesses and collect unemployment. That is illegal. You have to report ALL earnings. If you know people who are doing this, you can report them because it's fraud.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

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    Just imagine your third day unshaven face.
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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    We are back at the subsidization argument again. Should we keep giving the money to the Big Banks and Corporations or to the individuals. I don't see any gov't programs that encourage local development and jobs. On the contrary, subsidization of Big Corporate locks individuals out of the necessary shelf space for markets. Regulators make it difficult to compete in existing markets and inadequate access to financing makes start ups difficult. Look at Green energy. Big Corporate tries to prevent local renewable energy because it competes against their long term monopoly and they are succeeding. It is the same in every market. That is where the gov't can, but does not help.
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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    You can't collect a salary or any money without reporting it to unemployment if you are receiving benefits. That is fraud. You are specifically asked if you made any money between specific dates for which you are collecting. People who do this are stealing money from people who actually need it.

    However, a business owner CAN collect unemployment if his business isn't making enough money I believe, and that is probably the case with more than a few small business owners.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, you're probably right. Pretty jaded outlook. But that is how people evaluate these programs, like it or not.

    I know one woman who, at 63, lost her job, and began collecting partial SS and unemployment (for the maximum). She never looked for work. When her benefits ran out, she began collecting her full SS. Very well thought out and not what the system was designed for.

    Two other people signed up as soon as they lost their jobs and started their own businesses. Used unemployment as their safety net while they started up their companies. Again, not what it was designed for. They never looked for jobs. When one's unemployment ran out, he had built himself a successful business. (The money was taken in in his wife's name while he was receiving it.) The other got a "real job" immediately after his benefits ran out. While both of these people were collecting, they were not looking for jobs.

    I know two or three other people who got jobs in cash businesses and continued collecting their benefits until they ran out. Then went 'on the books'.

    I know damned well the system is mightily abused. And I also know damned well that it's sorely needed. *shrug*
    That is exactly the problem with these programs, they sound good, but the fraud is overwhelming. Why the government cannot police these programs better is beyond me.
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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    That is exactly the problem with these programs, they sound good, but the fraud is overwhelming. Why the government cannot police these programs better is beyond me.
    People have to participate. When you know someone is taking advantage of the system you have to report them. I don't think enough people do this though.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd say when the unemployment runs out like this, we're soon going to see an increase in the employment numbers.
    I think you are correct.

    The only person I know who uses unemployment as it's supposed to be used is a guy in construction. Everyone else I know who uses it? Take it for a paid vacation.
    Sad.

    As of Jan 15 I am out of a job as well, and don't have another one lined up yet (stupid holiday season). If I hit that date without anything, I'm wondering if I should apply, given that I have savings.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    That is exactly the problem with these programs, they sound good, but the fraud is overwhelming. Why the government cannot police these programs better is beyond me.
    It would be incredibly labor intensive, and I don't know if you would be able to generate the savings that would more than compensate for the increase in the need to hire people.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    People have to participate. When you know someone is taking advantage of the system you have to report them.
    Maybe we could hire the current unemployed to do the labor of checking up on fraud, and pay them via a bonus system. You get 25% of all monies you save the government, or something.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Seriously? How many people do you know collecting right now? Do you think that you can make an accurate assessment based upon that?
    I know a lot of dudes that have done it. Every single member of the military is told when they are getting out that they qualify for unemployment, and should apply for it while they are waiting for school or their next job to pick up. It's one of the reasons our "vet unemployment" numbers are disproportionately higher. Most of them used it as Maggie described it - basically a paid vacation until they got on with their lives. They were following the rules, doing what the government told them to do, and once they hit school or their next job they got off - it was hardly fraudulent. But it was paid vacation while they lived at their folks' house.

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    Re: unemployment benefits running out for 1.3m americans saturday

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It would be incredibly labor intensive, and I don't know if you would be able to generate the savings that would more than compensate for the increase in the need to hire people.
    So government gives up and promotes a society of fraud and abuse.
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