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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    sorry, not onboard with this latest outrage.
    What outrage?

    i don't care if those who didn't benefit from trickle down buy captain crunch, and i also don't mind paying for it.
    What is the purpose of food stamps? Like the most basic, core purpose?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Having rules attached to government money is supported by democrats and republicans.
    Absolutely. And I will go further and state that government money should always be attached to rules about what you can do with it.

    I'm not arguing against rules in general. I'm arguing against these rules, because they are pointless and insulting.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Absolutely. And I will go further and state that government money should always be attached to rules about what you can do with it.

    I'm not arguing against rules in general. I'm arguing against these rules, because they are pointless and insulting.
    Allowing comfort with welfare will always lead to these problems. Welfare is about survival, not comfort.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What outrage?
    the OMG poor people are buying junk food on my nickel outrage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What is the purpose of food stamps? Like the most basic, core purpose?
    to help those who fell through the cracks buy some food. it's cool to live in a first world country. our health care system and energy model could definitely use some tweaking, but i'm ok with helping those who don't make a lot of money to buy food.

    even TV dinners and candy bars.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Absolutely. And I will go further and state that government money should always be attached to rules about what you can do with it.

    I'm not arguing against rules in general. I'm arguing against these rules, because they are pointless and insulting.
    Which rules? This thread isn't about rules (like "no, you poor person, you can't drink soda"). No, this idea is about smart and effective policy. If food assistance is intended to prevent starvation and hunger in the US, then the cheapest, most effective, and healthiest way of mitigating any starvation/hunger risk is by doing what I'm suggesting. If an EBT card can only redeem basic single ingredients and bulk staples, the mission is accomplished -- starvation and hunger risks are very effectively mitigated.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the OMG poor people are buying junk food on my nickel outrage.
    It's not so much that it's my nickel, it's that the shopping spree model of food stamps is utterly unnecessary. It's an inefficient way of accomplishing the mission of food stamps. There are much better ways to make sure our country is well nourished.

    to help those who fell through the cracks buy some food. it's cool to live in a first world country. our health care system and energy model could definitely use some tweaking, but i'm ok with helping those who don't make a lot of money to buy food.

    even TV dinners and candy bars.
    Corporations make good money convincing the government to entitle people to its products. But it's wasteful and not necessary to use government benefits to enrich corporations under the guise of helping the needy.

    Is the actual mission of food stamps in fact a corporate one?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    There is nothing to indicate my idea would double the cost of SNAP. SNAP spends $76 billion on food benefits and another $3-4 billion administering it. I really see no reason why either of those expenditures would increase if EBT cards could only redeem bulk staples and basic ingredients.
    I think you're getting into dangerous territory. As your graphic in the OP pointed out, food is already controlled by a few major companies. It wouldn't be long before you got a Congress or President who restricted what you could buy to foods supplied only by a few key campaign contributors.

    Also, you're starting to go down the slope of how much food is really necessary. You won't die if you don't eat lunch tomorrow, so maybe we shouldn't pay for that (unless of course, you buy Oscar Meyer lunchmeat...keep those contributions rolling in!). If you don't see that happening, you really haven't thought it through.

    The other problem is that grocery stores with bulk foods departments tend not to be located in lower income areas. So unless someone did something to address that, they wouldn't have access to these things.


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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Question for those who would severely restrict what can be bought:

    Would you allow a can of Campbells soup to be purchased, or would you require that all the ingredients be bought separately?
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Question for those who would severely restrict what can be bought:

    Would you allow a can of Campbells soup to be purchased, or would you require that all the ingredients be bought separately?
    Is there anyone actually wanting to ban soups as a legitimate item?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think you're getting into dangerous territory. As your graphic in the OP pointed out, food is already controlled by a few major companies. It wouldn't be long before you got a Congress or President who restricted what you could buy to foods supplied only by a few key campaign contributors.
    A law could be written that permits redemption of food stamps with a list of basic ingredients that we find in more than 99% of the processed and packaged corporation food. It doesn't mean dystopian food control. It just means food stamps meet their goal of preventing hunger and starvation by limitation to basic raw ingredients (like if you look one the ingredients, a single thing is listed).

    Also, you're starting to go down the slope of how much food is really necessary.
    No I'm really not.

    The other problem is that grocery stores with bulk foods departments tend not to be located in lower income areas. So unless someone did something to address that, they wouldn't have access to these things.
    Wherever stores are, they carry what people demand. If people have no money and only an EBT card, and the EBT card can only redeem those types of things, then it behooves said store to carry what its customers demand. It would go out of business if it didn't. And another would set up shop in its place offering what people are needing and willing to buy or redeem. So we could easily predict that what stores stocked would change if people with EBT cards started showing up and saying "hey, where the **** are the oats and rice and flour?"

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