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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I in no way disagree with that, but it does nothing to change the fact that it's only in the states interest, and more than justified, to push diets towards moderately healthy alternatives that focus on delivering the most nutrition for dollar spent.

    Not arguing with that. However some seem to be taking a positive delight in the notion of making a food stamps diet inconvenient and unappealing.

    As for convenience foods, I'd also point out a lot of disabled and/or elderly people would have difficulty doing from-scratch food prep. I recall when my grandparents got really old, Granny started a couple of kitchen fires trying to cook, not to mention ruining several meals from difficulty concentrating.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not arguing with that. However some seem to be taking a positive delight in the notion of making a food stamps diet inconvenient and unappealing.

    As for convenience foods, I'd also point out a lot of disabled and/or elderly people would have difficulty doing from-scratch food prep. I recall when my grandparents got really old, Granny started a couple of kitchen fires trying to cook, not to mention ruining several meals from difficulty concentrating.

    I'm not talking about people needing to cook everything from scratch, but more stuff like tv dinners, frozen potato skins, those flavored oatmeal packets, etc, that tend to be horribly unhealthy and have high mark-up. The one example I cited earlier with flavored oatmeal amounted to being three times the price with a huge increase in sugars and salts

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, if you adopt some extreme definition of "healthy where we are discussing free range bok choy and hand crafted Goji berries it's indeed more expensive, but if we want to be realistic and less self-serving to your agenda we can look at moderately processed foods (as opposed to heavily processed convenience foods) that are easily accessible (breads, pasta, frozen and canned vegetables, canned and dried beans, oatmeal, chicken, carrots, bananas, potatoes, etc) , commonly used, and quite cheap.


    But like I said, that would require honesty and discussing the topic, as opposed to pushing your agenda. Which isn't likely to happen
    Not sure what set you off, and I have no dig in this fight, but even by your definition of healthy, it would be "more" expensive than what we commonly call junk food. I see no agenda but just grocery reality.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure what set you off
    Nothing set me off. It's ust obvious the people arguing against such proposals are adopting some extreme definition of healthy that requires self serving metrics like wild caught salman and gourmet level foods. Which is rather laughable and predictable at this point,


    and I have no dig in this fight, but even by your definition of healthy, it would be "more" expensive than what we commonly call junk food. I see no agenda but just grocery reality.
    give us some examples. I already provided some that showed it was in fact not more expensive.

    PS but again, this is assuming your definition of "junk food" was based on reality and not including things like tinned and frozen fruits and veggies.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Nothing set me off. It's ust obvious the people arguing against such proposals are adopting some extreme definition of healthy that requires self serving metrics like wild caught salman and gourmet level foods. Which is rather laughable and predictable at this point,




    give us some examples. I already provided some that showed it was in fact not more expensive.

    PS but again, this is assuming your definition of "junk food" was based on reality and not including things like tinned and frozen fruits and veggies.
    Let me know what posts your example was. But I ate many years on white toast from breakfast, roman noodles for lunch, and hamburgers, chips, and can corn for dinner. It's a cheap day. I'm not sure you can do cheaper than that realistically.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I just want to point something out that some seem to be missing...

    A lot of people getting food stamps are working as many hours as they are allowed by their employer. Some of them are people whose industry was outsourced; now they're working part time at Dollar General for about minimum wage because that is all they could find.

    A lot of people getting foodstamps are elderly, in poor health and unable to work.

    In brief, a lot of people on food stamps are NOT on there because they are lazy shiftless bums, but because their circumstances put them there against their will.
    Can you cite any statistical support for these conclusions? What percentage are as you describe? How do you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not arguing with that. However some seem to be taking a positive delight in the notion of making a food stamps diet inconvenient and unappealing.
    Only if you suck at cooking, but good news is the internet has virtually infinite free recipes with instruction that virtually anyone can access from virtually anywhere.

    As for convenience foods, I'd also point out a lot of disabled and/or elderly people would have difficulty doing from-scratch food prep.
    "A lot?" How many, exactly? How do you know? How many of the 47 million beneficiaries are elderly and physically disabled from making food?

    Even if that number happened to be significant, it would be a "how should our society care for the elderly" issue, not a "how should our society assure food security" issue.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Absolutely. And I will go further and state that government money should always be attached to rules about what you can do with it.

    I'm not arguing against rules in general. I'm arguing against these rules, because they are pointless and insulting.
    And corrupt.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    no vote
    Where is other ?
    Yes, I'd like to see nothing but "healthy foods" on the list, plus some paper goods.
    A reasonable min-wage would be better.....and a good education....
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by shart attack View Post
    I think SNAP benefits should include beer.

    It has carbs.

    It has calories.

    It has protein.

    It is food.
    Having a few alcoholic beverages every day is actually good for your long term health, especially if it's beer or wine. Abstaining from alcohol puts you at a greater risk of developing heart disease. The key is moderation.

    Just because some people cling to an irrational religious superstition that drinking any alcohol is bad for your health doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You're trying to stretch and exaggerate my argument in any direction you can. First I want the poor to live as though they're in the 1800s, second I want to abolish food corporations.

    If my proposal bothers you so much, I'm inclined to think you believe the SNAP program's underlying mission is something other than hunger/starvation mitigation, or otherwise you have some problem with an efficiently run program.

    Again, if the mission is starvation prevention, then I believe my proposal is a much more efficient way to do it.

    It would be like if we didn't have our current water infrastructure and instead gave people stamps to redeem branded bottled water from grocery stores, and then someone came in and said "hey I think there could be a cheaper and less wasteful way to deliver more water to more people." Why oppose that?
    Right now all that you have is a notion, I dont buy into your notion. I think that there are a lot more dynamics that you havent thought of or are ignoring.

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