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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The point of my proposal isn't to control what people eat. It's to meet the goal of the program more efficiently and common sensibly.
    But its subjective how much people eat and what they can eat, or want to eat. And people that use SNAP can chose to do what you are suggesting on their own. Hell even people without SNAP can chose do to what you are suggesting but they dont because there is nothing wrong with some prepared food. Most people dont but basic ingredients to make bread or even pancakes. There is nothing wrong with living in the modern age. This isnt little house on the prairie. And we are not all Quakers.


    It doesn't interfere with personal choice and it isn't overly protective. Nannies would prepare food for the wee ones, whereas adults would buy ingredients and make food for themselves and their families. If anything, our current system is more of a nanny, for viewing adult level responsibilities as way too much to expect from adults just because they don't happen to have a lot of money.
    As a adult do you make all of your food by scratch with just the basic ingredients? Are you implying that its childish to use foods that have been combined together? Seriously think about what you are saying, because it appears that you expect people on SNAP to be treated as if they live in the 1800's.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    But its subjective how much people eat and what they can eat, or want to eat. And people that use SNAP can chose to do what you are suggesting on their own. Hell even people without SNAP can chose do to what you are suggesting but they dont because there is nothing wrong with some prepared food. Most people dont but basic ingredients to make bread or even pancakes. There is nothing wrong with living in the modern age. This isnt little house on the prairie. And we are not all Quakers.
    I'm not suggesting people need to raise their own livestock, just that it's completely unnecessary and wasteful to pay the corporate markup for food they prepare.

    As a adult do you make all of your food by scratch with just the basic ingredients?
    Not all. More than the average person, but then again I also pay for 100% of mine.

    Are you implying that its childish to use foods that have been combined together?
    It's childish to think an adult wouldn't be able to make food and thus can't be burdened to do so.

    Seriously think about what you are saying, because it appears that you expect people on SNAP to be treated as if they live in the 1800's.
    Making meals does not equate to "living in the 1800s." If starvation prevention is the objective, then availing the basic staples and ingredients found in all the corporate processed and marketed food is more than enough. In fact it can reduce costs while increasing food security. The downsides (because let's admit every option has downsides) are that it's not as convenient as the corporate processed food, and it would end the corporate welfare aspects of SNAP.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm not suggesting people need to raise their own livestock, just that it's completely unnecessary and wasteful to pay the corporate markup for food they prepare.



    Not all. More than the average person, but then again I also pay for 100% of mine.



    It's childish to think an adult wouldn't be able to make food and thus can't be burdened to do so.



    Making meals does not equate to "living in the 1800s." If starvation prevention is the objective, then availing the basic staples and ingredients found in all the corporate processed and marketed food is more than enough. In fact it can reduce costs while increasing food security. The downsides (because let's admit every option has downsides) are that it's not as convenient as the corporate processed food, and it would end the corporate welfare aspects of SNAP.
    So what you are really upset about is the food industry, by that I mean corporations. Its sounds like you just want to sget rid of corporations and their food products. Sorry SNAP isnt the place to play political games, awe the irony.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So what you are really upset about is the food industry, by that I mean corporations. Its sounds like you just want to sget rid of corporations and their food products. Sorry SNAP isnt the place to play political games, awe the irony.
    You're trying to stretch and exaggerate my argument in any direction you can. First I want the poor to live as though they're in the 1800s, second I want to abolish food corporations.

    If my proposal bothers you so much, I'm inclined to think you believe the SNAP program's underlying mission is something other than hunger/starvation mitigation, or otherwise you have some problem with an efficiently run program.

    Again, if the mission is starvation prevention, then I believe my proposal is a much more efficient way to do it.

    It would be like if we didn't have our current water infrastructure and instead gave people stamps to redeem branded bottled water from grocery stores, and then someone came in and said "hey I think there could be a cheaper and less wasteful way to deliver more water to more people." Why oppose that?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Two words will solve this problem...Soylent Green.

    Instead of stamps, just send packets of delicious(?) Soylent Green to all those that need it.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Two words will solve this problem...Soylent Green.

    Instead of stamps, just send packets of delicious(?) Soylent Green to all those that need it.
    My proposal is actually one of compromise. I think we could do without federal food stamps altogether. But that REALLY sends people into a full-blown conniption. So this is more of a happy middle.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    no it really doesn't and I already provided one example
    Didn't see your example, though one example probably wouldn't settle anything. Overall healthy food cost more. Looking at variety and volume, I'm fairly sure that would mean being more expensive.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    I just want to point something out that some seem to be missing...

    A lot of people getting food stamps are working as many hours as they are allowed by their employer. Some of them are people whose industry was outsourced; now they're working part time at Dollar General for about minimum wage because that is all they could find.

    A lot of people getting foodstamps are elderly, in poor health and unable to work.

    In brief, a lot of people on food stamps are NOT on there because they are lazy shiftless bums, but because their circumstances put them there against their will.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't see your example, though one example probably wouldn't settle anything. Overall healthy food cost more. Looking at variety and volume, I'm fairly sure that would mean being more expensive.
    Yes, if you adopt some extreme definition of "healthy where we are discussing free range bok choy and hand crafted Goji berries it's indeed more expensive, but if we want to be realistic and less self-serving to your agenda we can look at moderately processed foods (as opposed to heavily processed convenience foods) that are easily accessible (breads, pasta, frozen and canned vegetables, canned and dried beans, oatmeal, chicken, carrots, bananas, potatoes, etc) , commonly used, and quite cheap.


    But like I said, that would require honesty and discussing the topic, as opposed to pushing your agenda. Which isn't likely to happen

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I just want to point something out that some seem to be missing...

    A lot of people getting food stamps are working as many hours as they are allowed by their employer. Some of them are people whose industry was outsourced; now they're working part time at Dollar General for about minimum wage because that is all they could find.

    A lot of people getting foodstamps are elderly, in poor health and unable to work.

    In brief, a lot of people on food stamps are NOT on there because they are lazy shiftless bums, but because their circumstances put them there against their will.
    I in no way disagree with that, but it does nothing to change the fact that it's only in the states interest, and more than justified, to push diets towards moderately healthy alternatives that focus on delivering the most nutrition for dollar spent.

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