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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Actually, I would like to see the food welfare programs not be involved with grocery chains because it promotes corporate welfare. Instead I would think it advantageous for special box stores set up for people in need of food providing all the essentials. The person would have to show an ID proving they are entitled to the goods. I think it would cut out a lot of fraud while still providing for those who are truly in need. I'd like to see them bring back the unemployment office too where people had to prove they were really trying to get work instead of claiming to have filled out a few applications online without any personal contact.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Or resturants with limited menus etc, but it would cause transportation problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually, I would like to see the food welfare programs not be involved with grocery chains because it promotes corporate welfare. Instead I would think it advantageous for special box stores set up for people in need of food providing all the essentials. The person would have to show an ID proving they are entitled to the goods. I think it would cut out a lot of fraud while still providing for those who are truly in need. I'd like to see them bring back the unemployment office too where people had to prove they were really trying to get work instead of claiming to have filled out a few applications online without any personal contact.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually, I would like to see the food welfare programs not be involved with grocery chains because it promotes corporate welfare. Instead I would think it advantageous for special box stores set up for people in need of food providing all the essentials. The person would have to show an ID proving they are entitled to the goods. I think it would cut out a lot of fraud while still providing for those who are truly in need. I'd like to see them bring back the unemployment office too where people had to prove they were really trying to get work instead of claiming to have filled out a few applications online without any personal contact.
    I thought about this, but predicted that it would likely be significantly more expensive to have to make separate space for these store locations and then operate them than it would to use existing grocery infrastructure but simplify the eligible items to raw/basic single ingredients. I think if we did this, we could cut total benefits by significantly more than the modest (if any) administrative cost increase while at the same time providing MORE food for the nation's poor (i.e. making it more of a foundation of nutrition rather than a supplement to it). I really believe that's what you'd get if you eliminate all the unnecessary costs of food processing, packaging, marketing, etc.

    And that's not even considering the potential long-term health benefits. $2 BILLION of the program's $76 billion in benefits goes JUST to soda. In other words, more than half of the amount it costs to administer SNAP goes just to so the soda companies and makes the nation's poor less healthy when they consume it. Add in the food processors depicted in the OP, and those food processing and marketing corporations are raking in probably almost all of the SNAP outlays every year.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Or resturants with limited menus etc, but it would cause transportation problems.
    Don't they have to travel to a major grocery chain for their EBT card to be accepted in most cases? And not every small town has a major chain store. I just don't see it that hard to plan the locations of the stores to be accessible. For special needs people other arrangements could be worked out.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I thought about this, but predicted that it would likely be significantly more expensive to have to make separate space for these store locations and then operate them than it would to use existing grocery infrastructure but simplify the eligible items to raw/basic single ingredients. I think if we did this, we could cut total benefits by significantly more than the modest (if any) administrative cost increase while at the same time providing MORE food for the nation's poor (i.e. making it more of a foundation of nutrition rather than a supplement to it). I really believe that's what you'd get if you eliminate all the unnecessary costs of food processing, packaging, marketing, etc.

    And that's not even considering the potential long-term health benefits. $2 BILLION of the program's $76 billion in benefits goes JUST to soda. In other words, more than half of the amount it costs to administer SNAP goes just to so the soda companies and makes the nation's poor less healthy when they consume it. Add in the food processors depicted in the OP, and those food processing and marketing corporations are raking in probably almost all of the SNAP outlays every year.
    Maybe the cost of operating separate stores would end up costing more but sure would cut down on the cost of fraud.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Maybe the cost of operating separate stores would end up costing more but sure would cut down on the cost of fraud.
    I think the cases of actual fraud are probably ultimately small potatoes. The program is set up to be used this way. Sure there are examples of some ridiculous behavior, such as people buying cheap soda, dumping it out on the ground outside the store, returning the cans for deposit and taking the cash to go buy beer or drugs. But that's peripheral to the issue. The real problem is not that people are abusing the poor innocent SNAP program. The problem is that the SNAP program itself has ridiculously unnecessary allowances that make money for food processing corporations and make poor Americans less healthy.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Restricting SNAP to certain foods would do no real good. Culturally it would be a nightmare trying to determine what foods to ban from SNAP purchases. What it amounts to is people wanting to dictate to other people what they can and cannot eat. Once you open that Pandoras box the next thing you know certain foods will be black listed for all Americans. Dictating dietary demands on the public for any American is a affront on liberty and freedom.

    If you want people to eat healthy give them the proper education then. Afte all its not hard to bake cookies using the basics..


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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually, I would like to see the food welfare programs not be involved with grocery chains because it promotes corporate welfare. Instead I would think it advantageous for special box stores set up for people in need of food providing all the essentials. The person would have to show an ID proving they are entitled to the goods. I think it would cut out a lot of fraud while still providing for those who are truly in need. I'd like to see them bring back the unemployment office too where people had to prove they were really trying to get work instead of claiming to have filled out a few applications online without any personal contact.
    Might work ok in larger population centers, but rural areas would be too expensive.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I think the cases of actual fraud are probably ultimately small potatoes. The program is set up to be used this way. Sure there are examples of some ridiculous behavior, such as people buying cheap soda, dumping it out on the ground outside the store, returning the cans for deposit and taking the cash to go buy beer or drugs. But that's peripheral to the issue. The real problem is not that people are abusing the poor innocent SNAP program. The problem is that the SNAP program itself has ridiculously unnecessary allowances that make money for food processing corporations and make poor Americans less healthy.
    Gee I never heard of the one about buying cheap soda for the cans before. But I think the fraud business is much more than small potatoes. We've seen several retailers busted this year trading the food stamps for cash. For profits in the multimillions. And that's just the ones who got caught! We've also seen individuals selling them on places like Craig's List like $500 food stamps for $350. Obviously those are people who never needed them in the first place but were allowed to obtain them. If ya don't think the box store idea would work, before we do anything, we need tighter restrictions on who can apply for and stay on SNAP. And combined with limiting what they can purchase with their cards to only include wholesome staples/vegetables/fruits/meats would go a long way in saving the People money and may be a deterrent for abusers.

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