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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    I wonder how many people, if restricted to basic ingredients would need to go to cooking classes. If so, then we run into logistical issues, such as how to get to class, delivered in a classroom or by internet, do these people have time if working multiple jobs or have other legitimate obligations, etc?

    We need a better solution.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    WIC isn't as petty in it's restrictions.
    What label you want to toss at such restrictions is rather irrelevant. All that matters is that they exist and function

    That's where your unnecessary complexity comes in.
    Right, you keep telling us you think they are unnecessary. I already responding by explaining why I think they are justified, make economic sense, and amount to good govt policy.

    in stead of addressing those points though, you demand the process become needlessly complex so you can go "see, it doesn't work" ...

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I wonder how many people, if restricted to basic ingredients would need to go to cooking classes.
    lol, so now we need to implement cooking classes with such policies? Do we currently make people get certified in the use of a can opener before they are issued snap benefits?


    You people are hilarious

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    There is a very easy way to limit what can and can't be bought with assistance money.
    we already limit what can be purchased through snap. So your claim is clearly false

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lol, so now we need to implement cooking classes with such policies? Do we currently make people get certified in the use of a can opener before they are issued snap benefits?


    You people are hilarious
    Giving someone beans does no good if they don't know what to do with the beans. Also, it does no good if they can only do a few things with the beans, quickly tiring of their options and trying to bypass the system.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    I have ate dried beans in the field, light, good for you and keeps you from starving.
    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Giving someone beans does no good if they don't know what to do with the beans. Also, it does no good if they can only do a few things with the beans, quickly tiring of their options and trying to bypass the system.

    Remember human nature
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    WIC isn't as petty in it's restrictions.
    Take the cereals approved for WIC recipients in New York State. The list has about 13 national-brand cereals but excludes sugary favorites such as Froot Loops and Cap’n Crunch. You can buy peanut butter but not “peanut butter mixed with jelly, marshmallow, chocolate or honey.” Frozen vegetables are fine, but forget ones that replicate the McDonald’s experience at home: “French fries, hash browns, tater tots,” and “other shaped potatoes” are all banned. Canned fruit with “any syrup (heavy, light, ‘naturally light,’ extra light, etc.)” or “added sugar (‘lightly sweetened in fruit juice,’ etc.)” is off limits. In other words, the strict parameters of the WIC program make it virtually impossible to spend the government-issued funds on junk food. - link
    That's where your unnecessary complexity comes in.
    Even presuming your opinion that something so simple and straightforward would actually be so mind-bogglingly complex, it's questionable as to why it is written off as "unnecessary" complexity. By what percentage do you predict the administrative costs of the SNAP program would increase if they could no longer be redeemed for processed foods?

    When you look at the health state of America's poor (statistically significantly higher diabetes, heart attacks, obesity, etc.), I'd contend that not only is it unnecessary to continue the shopping spree model of food stamps, it's pretty much unethical. Relative to this proposal, continuing the current one basically does them harm in the long run. And then we have to pay for those medical bills too. I think any increase in the $3 billion administrative cost (if in fact it would even rise) would easily be offset by health and welfare gains over time.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    What label you want to toss at such restrictions is rather irrelevant. All that matters is that they exist and function



    Right, you keep telling us you think they are unnecessary. I already responding by explaining why I think they are justified, make economic sense, and amount to good govt policy.

    in stead of addressing those points though, you demand the process become needlessly complex so you can go "see, it doesn't work" ...
    I think the level that you and others want to go is unnecessarily petty and vindictive, yes. We disagree in that. But, beyond that, I don't trust that any government program that seeks to micromanage to the degree that you advocate will be efficient nor will it result in good government policy. The more control sought will result in more regulation and bureaucracy.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Giving someone beans does no good if they don't know what to do with the beans. Also, it does no good if they can only do a few things with the beans, quickly tiring of their options and trying to bypass the system.

    Remember human nature
    If they can't cook beans, then maybe we can... decrease the surplus population.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    we already limit what can be purchased through snap. So your claim is clearly false
    I said "a very easy way". What I said was not false, especially not in light of other programs they restrict purchases. I don't know where you received your training in logic.
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