View Poll Results: Should food stamps only be redeemable for bulk staples and basic ingredients?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The poll question is rather basic. Should we do this? Explain why or why not.

    For context, this is what currently is redeemable:
    • breads and cereals;
    • fruits and vegetables;
    • meats, fish and poultry;
    • dairy products;
    • Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
    • Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items

    Source: Eligible Food Items | Food and Nutrition Service

    A question you might think about that could affect your answer might be, "What is the real, core, basic purpose of food assistance programs?"

    If the answer is to prevent hunger/starvation in the U.S., then I would propose that all packaged processed foods (foods with multiple ingredients listed) be excluded. That sweeps a lot of confusion off the table right there. Eligible items could include single ingredient bulk staples like rice, beans, lentils, flour, pasta, basic spices, cooking oil, even sugar, and produce, eggs, and, what the hell, even some types of meat.

    That combination alone results in a panoply of food options, and minimal risk of starvation. It also mitigates starvation at the cheapest and maybe healthiest manner possible -- by putting control over the ingredients into the hands of the person receiving and preparing the food.

    So my vote in this poll is Yes. We should do this.

    Let's assume these folks would throw a conniption and vote No.



    What do you all say?



    Excuse me for raining on your parade, but I very much doubt that this will ever happen.

    IOW: This is another time-wasting thread which will accomplish nothing.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    You may be able to point to an item here or there that is cheaper fresh, but overall you pay for fresh.
    But as pointed out in my post 'fresh" isn't the only alternative here to "processed unhealthy foods" unless you want to take the absurd position we are discussing basic canned and frozen vegtables and trying to place them next to frozen pizzas and hot pockets.


    It costs more. You go and make a list of the items to make 5 full meals using fresh vegetables and meats, ***nothing processed*** and compare it to 5 meals of boxed and processed crap. That is a reality.
    Right, like I figured, you're adopting a rather absurd position and ignoring the general definition of "unhealthy processed foods". A definition that doesn't include stuff like jarred pasta sauce, dried noodles, and bagged bread.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Excuse me for raining on your parade, but I very much doubt that this will ever happen.

    IOW: This is another time-wasting thread which will accomplish nothing.
    I have a hidden agenda, which is to see if people might begin asking themselves who really benefits most from this social welfare program, and see if they can identify for what real reasons they would oppose improving it.

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    But as pointed out in my post 'fresh" isn't the only alternative here to "processed unhealthy foods" unless you want to take the absurd position we are discussing basic canned and frozen vegtables and trying to place them next to frozen pizzas and hot pockets.




    Right, like I figured, you're adopting a rather absurd position and ignoring the general definition of "unhealthy processed foods". A definition that doesn't include stuff like jarred pasta sauce, dried noodles, and bagged bread.
    Is it your belief that jarred pasta sauces, dried noodles and bagged breads are healthy?
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Is it your belief that jarred pasta sauces, dried noodles and bagged breads are healthy?
    Healthier than a hot pocket and numerous other processed foods that one can buy with food stamps? Indeed Yes, but I am assuming you want to adopt some extreme definition of "healthy" to aid your position.

    I'll give a better example what we are discussing here:

    Great Value: Oven-Toasted Quick Oats, 42 Oz=3.18
    servings per container-30
    Sodium-0
    Sugar-1g


    Quaker Instant Fruit & Cream Oatmeal, 10ct= 2.88
    servings per container-10 (1 packet)
    Sodium;190 mg
    sugar-12g

    See the difference?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    SNAP already does not cover the basic supplies.

    it needs to be EXPANDED, to cover all needed items.

    Including gas or bus pass to GET the stupid food in the first place.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    what next, a butler to tie their shoes too?
    Look at the source... the same one who declared the ACA was free, with no understanding who was really paying for it.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Healthier than a hot pocket and numerous other processed foods that one can buy with food stamps? Indeed Yes, but I am assuming you want to adopt some extreme definition of "healthy" to aid your position.

    I'll give a better example what we are discussing here:

    Great Value: Oven-Toasted Quick Oats, 42 Oz=3.18
    servings per container-30
    Sodium-0
    Sugar-1g


    Quaker Instant Fruit & Cream Oatmeal, 10ct= 2.88
    servings per container-10 (1 packet)
    Sodium;190 mg
    sugar-12g

    See the difference?
    Whether you accept it or not, the facts speak for themselves. With or without welfare people who live in poverty eat more poorly. You can go on thinking that they are eating ramen because they love it and hate fresh foods and secretly want to spend more money on less nutritious products if you want to. You can talk all day about oats and rice and hot pockets. That is not being realistic. People are not going to eat oats and rice three times a day and your assertion that they should is insane. Fresh fruits and vegetables, real meat cost more than packaged goods. I not going to keep trying to convince you otherwise. You seem to have your mind set that people eat junk food solely to waste tax payer money.
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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Whether you accept it or not, the facts speak for themselves. With or without welfare people who live in poverty eat more poorly. You can go on thinking that they are eating ramen because they love it and hate fresh foods and secretly want to spend more money on less nutritious products if you want to. You can talk all day about oats and rice and hot pockets. That is not being realistic. People are not going to eat oats and rice three times a day and your assertion that they should is insane. Fresh fruits and vegetables, real meat cost more than packaged goods. I not going to keep trying to convince you otherwise. You seem to have your mind set that people eat junk food solely to waste tax payer money.
    Sort of off-topic but, if we did give more money into the food stamp program, how would one know it wouldn't just be spend on more of the bad variety?

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    Re: Should we restrict food stamps to bulk staples and basic ingredients?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Sort of off-topic but, if we did give more money into the food stamp program, how would one know it wouldn't just be spend on more of the bad variety?
    All I was saying before is that if we were to limit welfare recipients to only healthy or fresh foods then we would need to raise the amount of money received.
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