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Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?[W:178]

Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?


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Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Utah is on hold as a judge has made those marriages invalid. I think it will be 25 years plus or never.

the marriages are not invalid currently and the judge did no such thing
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

the marriages are not invalid currently and the judge did no such thing

invalid they are, not recognized by the state of Utah, depending on the ruling maybe not anywhere else either
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

1.)invalid they are, not recognized by the state of Utah, depending on the ruling maybe not anywhere else either

100% false as they are still recognized and 100% legal by the FED and not invalid until the court decision. If you have any facts supporting otherwise post them now.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

The Illuminati made you vote that way, didn't they?




The Illuminati are sneaking around making a lot of things happen.

I wonder when they will finally reveal themselves to the world.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

100% false as they are still recognized and 100% legal by the FED and not invalid until the court decision. If you have any facts supporting otherwise post them now.

Already have in another thread, you ignored them, you can't see past your own beliefs even if they are without merit and reality.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?


cool, thanks

what i love about this is if the appellate court ruled against utah, the bans in kansas, colorado, and wyoming would also end. So i'm sure utah's governor will not be well liked in those states for appealing.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Utah is on hold as a judge has made those marriages invalid. I think it will be 25 years plus or never.

god at least do basic research. No judge has ruled them invalid and none ever will. US justice department in fact just ruled they are valid federally.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

Already have in another thread, you ignored them, you can't see past your own beliefs even if they are without merit and reality.

no you didnt because nothing you said mattered, the fed disagrees with you and facts prove you wrong, my beliefs play no role here and that strawman will always fail, i haven't stated any beliefs lol :shrug:

when you can change that youll have somethign but you have nothing and facts defeat your post again, if you have facts proving the FED wrong post them now
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

god at least do basic research. No judge has ruled them invalid and none ever will. US justice department in fact just ruled they are valid federally

not in Utah
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

no you didnt because nothing you said mattered, the fed disagrees with you and facts prove you wrong, my beliefs play no role here and that strawman will always fail, i haven't stated any beliefs lol :shrug:

when you can change that youll have somethign but you have nothing and facts defeat your post again, if you have facts proving the FED wrong post them now

again your beliefs have nothing to do Utah, you can type fast and shout louder but that changes nothing. They are invalid
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

not in Utah

That's over 1000 rights federally and that's practically all that matters. I'm sure those couples can piss on the state now over the paltry state income tax, even if utah did miraculously win the appeal.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

cool, thanks

what i love about this is if the appellate court ruled against utah, the bans in kansas, colorado, and wyoming would also end. So i'm sure utah's governor will not be well liked in those states for appealing.

I think so also but you never know how the ruling will be worded.

again what i love is this rulling DIRECTLY mentions the state constitution and the 14 so thats big. But even if they rule in a very narrow fashion, which i dont see how, all the other states whould have to do is make the same challenge and boom!
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

1.)again your beliefs have nothing to do Utah
2.), you can type fast and shout louder but that changes nothing.
3.) They are invalid

1.) havent stated one belife to you about this
2.) i agree nothing changes the lie you posted about beliefs and invalid
3.) facts prove you wrong :shrug:

post your opinion 50 more times facts destroy it as usual

you are free to have your factually proven wrong opinion though the rest of us will just go by facts and laugh at it
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

That's over 1000 rights federally and that's practically all that matters. I'm sure those couples can piss on the state now over the paltry state income tax, even if utah did miraculously win the appeal.

makes little difference, if they aren't recognized in Utah, other states can reject on that same premise and probably will
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

1.) havent stated one belife to you about this
2.) i agree nothing changes the lie you posted about beliefs and invalid
3.) facts prove you wrong :shrug:

post your opinion 50 more times facts destroy it as usual

you are free to have your factually proven wrong opinion though the rest of us will just go by facts and laugh at it

not sure what belife is, going with that, the other thread shows them to be invalid, they are, case closed
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

makes little difference, if they aren't recognized in Utah, other states can reject on that same premise and probably will

You mean if those 1300 couples for some reason moved to another bigoted state? Correct, until those bans are thrown out as well.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

1.)not sure what belife is, going with that, the other thread shows them to be invalid
3 they are, case closed
1.) its something i never posted to you on this
2.) nope it proved your posts wrong and that you posted a lie just like now
3.) wrong again we have facts that prove you wrong and you got nothing but nu-huh, see below for the facts that destroy your lies

Holder: Feds recognize Utah’s same-sex marriages01/10/14 02:29 PM

The legal status of same-sex married couples in Utah has become a little murky in recent days. Attorney General Eric Holder tried to bring some clarity to the issue this afternoon.

Last month, a federal court struck down Utah’s ban on marriage equality, immediately opening the door to equal-marriage rights statewide. Roughly 1,300 couples took advantage of the opportunity and tied the legally recognized knot.
The U.S. Supreme Court, however, issued a stay this week, reinstating Utah’s ban while the appeals process unfolds. And as Adam Serwer explained, state officials “took the additional step of telling the couples who were married in the meantime that, in the eyes of the state of Utah, while the litigation is ongoing, those marriages don’t count.”

AG Holder offered a response today, letting those same couples know that as far as the federal government is concerned, their marriages do count. For those who can’t watch clips online, he said in a new video:

“Last June, the Supreme Court issued a landmark decision – in United States v. Windsor – holding that Americans in same-sex marriages are entitled to equal protection and equal treatment under the law. This ruling marked a historic step toward equality for all American families. And since the day it was handed down, the Department of Justice has been working tirelessly to implement it in both letter and spirit – moving to extend – federal benefits to married same-sex couples as swiftly and smoothly as possible.

“Recently, an administrative step by the court has cast doubt on same-sex marriages that have been performed in the state of Utah. And the governor has announced that the state will not recognize these marriages pending additional court action.[/FONT]

“In the meantime, I am confirming today that, for purposes of federal law, these marriages will be recognized as lawful and considered eligible for all relevant federal benefits on the same terms as other same-sex marriages. These families should not be asked to endure uncertainty regarding their status as the litigation unfolds. In the days ahead, we will continue to coordinate across the federal government to ensure the timely provision of every federal benefit to which Utah couples and couples throughout the country are entitled – regardless of whether they in same-sex or opposite-sex marriages. And we will continue to provide additional information as soon as it becomes available.

marriages are valid and legal

as usual, your post loses and facts win wrong

until you have ONE single fact that you can present nothing more will be said
lol, game over
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

You mean if those 1300 couples for some reason moved to another bigoted state? Correct, until those bans are thrown out as well.

bigots and sexual preference are asinine comparisons. the are invalid and I think it is hilarious that those idiots rushed to alter like kids robbing a candy store.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

1.) its something i never posted to you on this
2.) nope it proved your posts wrong and that you posted a lie just like now
3.) wrong again we have facts that prove you wrong and you got nothing but nu-huh, see below for the facts that destroy your lies



marriages are valid and legal

as usual, your post loses and facts win wrong

until you have ONE single fact that you can present nothing more will be said
lol, game over

the are invalid in the eyes of the state where performed, meaning regardles of the beliefs of others, the state invalidated them. If your drivers license is revoked or invalid in your home state it is not valid once you leave:lamo:lamo
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

bigots and sexual preference are asinine comparisons. the are invalid and I think it is hilarious that those idiots rushed to alter like kids robbing a candy store.

bigotry has to do with intolerance, something you should be well versed in

those couples now have 1000+ rights they did not, because they rushed to marry while they could. Very wise decision
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

bigotry has to do with intolerance, something you should be well versed in

those couples now have 1000+ rights they did not, because they rushed to marry while they could. Very wise decision

yeah and not worth the paper they are written on, if it were their driver's licenses, they would be worthless as well
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

bigotry has to do with intolerance, something you should be well versed in

those couples now have 1000+ rights they did not, because they rushed to marry while they could. Very wise decision

correct its awesome the the law and rights work with them while their state is in limbo, until the state works it out their marriages are 100% legal and get all the fed privileges, im glad the FED clear this fact up for people confused including the state and the state said they will also be granting them all FED rights that they happen to process.
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

yeah and not worth the paper they are written on, if it were their driver's licenses, they would be worthless as well

you know what's hilarious about outcomes like this is it proves "states' rights" don't exist. The fed will always dominate. 1000 rights vs state income tax, gee let me weigh which matters more.

Maybe utah should secede over this and watch itself fall into 3rd world status within a year
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

1.)you know what's hilarious about outcomes like this is it proves "states' rights" don't exist. The fed will always dominate. 1000 rights vs state income tax, gee let me weigh which matters more.

2.)Maybe utah should secede over this and watch itself fall into 3rd world status within a year

1.) well the thing that SOME people miss is state rights are intact, the state tried to overstep its rights hence the law suit and ruling thats whats hilarious.
2.) this is my favorite nonsensical irrational talk, secession over the fed protecting equal rights, its one of the most mentally retarded idea out there

not to mention no state will ever actually do it and if it happens, they just get taken over and those people can leave the county if they wish, russia might make them happy
 
Re: Equal rights/Same Sex Marriage how long until its a national reality?

I am one of three.
We do not have that high a level of people, as long as we have conservatives, the homosexual will never be "equal"...
Never...well, give it 100 years....time heals all wounds...
 
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