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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well if you trust the Yemeni government to be stable, unitary, and effective enough to hold these guys, good on you I suppose. I do not share that opinion, and I do not know anyone who has spent time studying Yemen (and I know a couple of those) who does.
    I trust Yemen to do what is Yemen's self interest. The gov't works closely with the US to drone AQ.
    I doubt they'll release them unless they are fairly certain.
    Their gov't is drone happy, even to the point of dubious targeting.

    Either that or put them on trial here, and incarcerate /release them .
    It's an abomination to declare a perpetual war, and hold these guys longer then we did in any other war without charging them.
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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think that's part of the problem, the states they came from don't want them back. Yes, they should be tried by military tribunal, which is the currently the on going process, then either released or incarcerated, probably at Gitmo. Trouble is that last I recall, the large majority of those released have rejoined terrorist groups and have attacked people, often innocent people, using the typical terrorist tools such as car bombs.
    yes, a lot did go back to jihad. I agree with your ideas here.
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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Okay. Trial first. Then shoot them. If given a chance, these people would kill you with glee for no particular reason other than you aren't them
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    "Timmy did it too", or would do it is a poor excuse for doing anything.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I trust Yemen to do what is Yemen's self interest. The gov't works closely with the US to drone AQ.
    Yemen is not a unitary actor and does not exercise consistent control within its' own borders. The government is about as trustworthy as Pakistan's.

    I doubt they'll release them unless they are fairly certain.
    unless the person making the decision is fairly certain that he will profit by doing so, yes.

    Their gov't is drone happy, even to the point of dubious targeting.
    Naturally. It allows them to keep potential alternate power sources off-balance while deflecting blame to the Mean Ole United States.

    Either that or put them on trial here, and incarcerate /release them
    Why incarcerate? Military tribunals are fully capable of assigning the death penalty, and by ths point we have all the intel we would want from them.

    It's an abomination to declare a perpetual war, and hold these guys longer then we did in any other war without charging them.
    No, stewing a lamb in it's mothers milk is an abomination. Putting captured jihadists in what amounts to a freaking tropical resort for them is called "treating your enemy better than he treats you".

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Seeing as the constitution applies not only to citizens but all people within its borders, these terrorists have the right to a trial.
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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yemen is not a unitary actor and does not exercise consistent control within its' own borders. The government is about as trustworthy as Pakistan's.



    unless the person making the decision is fairly certain that he will profit by doing so, yes.



    Naturally. It allows them to keep potential alternate power sources off-balance while deflecting blame to the Mean Ole United States.



    Why incarcerate? Military tribunals are fully capable of assigning the death penalty, and by ths point we have all the intel we would want from them.



    No, stewing a lamb in it's mothers milk is an abomination. Putting captured jihadists in what amounts to a freaking tropical resort for them is called "treating your enemy better than he treats you".
    So why are there reports of prisoners that have committed suicide by hanging themselves in their cells
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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Which, if you are arguing that illegal means are not justified by the ends, is irrelevant. Their means (Civil Disobedience) would remain unjustified.





    Okay. We'll do this slowly.

    Are means unjustified when they are:

    A: Immoral
    B: Illegal
    C: Both Immoral and Illegal

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    Perfectly relevant. Keep in context.

    When you do something illegal and / or immoral, you can't say it was proper because of the ends. When you do something illegal, go to jail, you are not claiming it legal and proper, even if it fits the moral standard. That's why you willingly go to jail. When you do something illegal and or immoral and say you can because if the ends, that is when when use the common phrase "the ends don't justify the means."

    Now I know you're just playing a game here, to avoid a proper judgement in the issue at hand, but try to stay within the framework of the discussion.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    [QUOTE=cpwill;1062720225]
    Yemen is not a unitary actor and does not exercise consistent control within its' own borders. The government is about as trustworthy as Pakistan's
    ya. I know it's fractured, and tribal, still the regime controls the areas of this prison, near Sanaa i believe.
    Again look at their self interest. Most of the regions outside their control are in the north.

    unless the person making the decision is fairly certain that he will profit by doing so, yes.
    corruiption is endemic, and AQ does have a good record in prisonbreaks (Bengazi/Paki/ Yemen itself..few more i can't recall)
    . So then use US prisons. Either.Or.


    Naturally. It allows them to keep potential alternate power sources off-balance while deflecting blame to the Mean Ole United States
    agreed, and there is a lot of that, since the INTEL for targeting can come from Yemeni Intel, which can be used for dubious means.
    Look at the wedding party droning - this isn't the first.

    Why incarcerate? Military tribunals are fully capable of assigning the death penalty, and by ths point we have all the intel we would want from them
    If it meet the criteria, mete out the punishment - but that requires CHARGES first, something we haven't done.

    No, stewing a lamb in it's mothers milk is an abomination. Putting captured jihadists in what amounts to a freaking tropical resort for them is called "treating your enemy better than he treats you
    you wanna free ticket to this resort? (rhetorical). Just because it is in Cuba, it is still a maximum security prison.
    The song remains the same. Chgare them, mete out punishment, and incarcertate here or overseas. or where called for, death.
    Congress won't budge on this - no US trials. Fine, then use a military trial, but something has to give.
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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Seeing as the constitution applies not only to citizens but all people within its borders, these terrorists have the right to a trial.



    Since these people are not within the USA's borders i don't believe that the U.S. constitution applies to them.

    But we should still either try and convict them or turn them loose.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    "Timmy did it too", or would do it is a poor excuse for doing anything.

    Check with you mama on this.
    Read back, Shrubby. I've already addressed this. Poorly maybe, but addressed none the less. I'd give you the posts, but I'm just too damn lazy right now. And I'm heading for my shop for a few hours.

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