View Poll Results: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

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  • Move them to US facilities and try them.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    feed them to wild boars

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nonsense. We invaded in 2003. By 2006 the place was a lost cause. Rummy left it a complete mess.

    The war was won in a week. The peace was lost over the following 6 months. By Spring of 2004, Iraq sunk into chaos.

    It didn't have to be. Read up on it. You'll see all the blunders and penny-pinching that resulted in a successful insurgency.

    Here's an article from 2006, long before Democrats got control, which really wasn't until Jan 2007.
    A catalog of Rumsfeld's biggest blunders.
    A catalog from Slate magazine? One of the biggest anti-Iraq war publications that daily beat their anti-Bush drums during the Bush administration that weighs in on "Rumsfeld's blunders". That's choice but explains why you think what you do.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A catalog from Slate magazine? One of the biggest anti-Iraq war publications that daily beat their anti-Bush drums during the Bush administration that weighs in on "Rumsfeld's blunders". That's choice but explains why you think what you do.
    So. Is your argument that Rummy did a fine Job and the Democrats lost Iraq?


    There are plenty of other sources which spell out Rummy's failures. But I suspect your mind is made up. Rational conversation with you is probably not an option, I've noticed.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes I do. If you hate your enemy enough to go to war, then kill them. If you don't really want war, then stay home and leave them the hell alone. War is about the most serious human endeavor there is. Trying to have a nice war is total bull****.
    Every war in history that I'm aware of has produced POWs. In my eyes, surrendering to a superior enemy force is a basic right of those who participate in a war.
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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Democrats in the Green zone were like gays in the Tea party. Not there. Read "Imperial Life in the Emerald City" for an insight.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    So. Is your argument that Rummy did a fine Job and the Democrats lost Iraq?


    There are plenty of other sources which spell out Rummy's failures. But I suspect your mind is made up. Rational conversation with you is probably not an option, I've noticed.
    Actually I wasn't a fan of going into Iraq but after the overwhelming support from the Senate including most Democrats to invade I felt it was important for the troops sake that it be supported. When I watched the Democrats start flip flopping on their initial support for the war right before mid-term elections, it was apparent they were using it for political gain and continued to do so while we had men and women in grave danger. Their friends in mainstream media took every opportunity to leak secret intelligence that also undermined the relationships we were trying to build in the region and put Americans as well as soldiers in unnecessary danger. It became quite clear to me the left was trying to undermine any success because success would mean a second Bush term. I believe playing politics with our soldiers' lives is about as appalling as it gets.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So.... you do nothing?
    Yes. It allows one to pronounce solemn judgements from the comfort of one's living room. There's always someone else who will do the hard stuff when the **** hits the fan. It also allows one to escape the reality that people of good will are required at some point to confront evil directly. That's just way too scary to contemplate when we could just release them all and let some other unfortunate deal with the consequences.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    So. Is your argument that Rummy did a fine Job and the Democrats lost Iraq?
    In 2007 in Fallujah we were pulling down enemy propaganda that they would leave plastered to mosques, peoples homes, etc. They would try different tacts, doing experimentation, seeing what worked.

    In one section of the city, they argued that siding with the Americans (or even not helping AQI) was a fools' bargain, because America was going to abandon its "allies" and pull out. To prove their point, they quoted several U.S. Senators, including the lady who wants to be the next President of the United States and the current Majority Leader who had helpfully declared at that point that the Surge had failed (before it had even really fully begun).

    That particular propaganda campaign was devastatingly effective. That section of the city was the last to become secure, and we lost more guys there than the rest of the city combined.


    Just my own small observation. I wouldn't defend Rumsfeld's mistakes in judgement, only point them out to those who are now determined to repeat them.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually I wasn't a fan of going into Iraq but after the overwhelming support from the Senate including most Democrats to invade I felt it was important for the troops sake that it be supported. When I watched the Democrats start flip flopping on their initial support for the war right before mid-term elections, it was apparent they were using it for political gain and continued to do so while we had men and women in grave danger. Their friends in mainstream media took every opportunity to leak secret intelligence that also undermined the relationships we were trying to build in the region and put Americans as well as soldiers in unnecessary danger. It became quite clear to me the left was trying to undermine any success because success would mean a second Bush term. I believe playing politics with our soldiers' lives is about as appalling as it gets.
    No one "flip-flopped" until the war began to be mismanaged. What was appalling was Rummy using his position to hire and surround himself with yes-men, not supplying our troops with adequate equipment (remember their lack of body armor and humvees which lacked IED protection?) and getting our boys killed as the country slipped into chaos because he minimized the number of our troops and disbanded the Iraqi army.
    Last edited by calamity; 12-28-13 at 12:55 PM.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Release them? Try them? Leave them there indefinitely... forever?

    Do we lose any alleged moral high ground by detaining then indefinitely? Should we care?
    My question is why is it necessary to try these people in our courts? They have no right to due process protections of US federal courts. The military tribunal was real quick to process the Australian Hicks and convict him and a Canadian with an Arabic name. But those from Pakistan, Yemen etc. they keep dragging their feet on and I can't help but think it has something to do with the Human Rights Watch group putting the pressure to give the detainees left due process protection and maybe that is why they have been leaving things in limbo. I know Obama was against the tribunal set up from the beginning and was pushing for them to be tried in our court system but then backed off from that because it was met with a lot of disdain. The others already convicted didn't get such a privilege. I think we need to continue with the military court and git r done.

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