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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is a turn of a common phrase.


    'Prov. You can use bad or immoral methods as long as you accomplish something good by using them.'

    The end justifies the means - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    My point, which I assumed would be obvious, was/is that to use bad/immoral methods to try to achieve a 'good' result is never justified.

    You disagree - fine.

    But I do not.
    If you want to shift it to that, then you have a second problem - morality of a means is often determined by the end under pursuit.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If you want to shift it to that, then you have a second problem - morality of a means is often determined by the end under pursuit.
    I don't wish to shift it to anything.

    I have made a point, which for some reason you disagree with.

    So noted.

    That is the end of my relative interest in it.

    To debate morality is pointless, IMO. And whatever other point you are making holds little interest for me as I - with respect - feel you are just doing so to try and nit pick at a position that you do not agree with using some sort of technical minutia.

    Fair enough as this is a debate board.

    And there was a time I would take up that kind of debate...that time has passed (for now) as I have other things in my life that hold more importance to me.


    Gitmo is an abomination to me. A chapter in U.S. history that is both cowardly and disgusting. And there is NO chance you are changing my mind on that...none.

    So further discussion is, IMO, pointless.

    I gave my opinion earlier. That is all I really wanted to do on this subject.


    I wish you good day, sir.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I don't wish to shift it to anything.

    I have made a point, which for some reason you disagree with.

    So noted.

    That is the end of my relative interest in it.

    To debate morality is pointless, IMO. And whatever other point you are making holds little interest for me as I - with respect - feel you are just doing so to try and nit pick at a position that you do not agree with using some sort of technical minutia.

    There was a time I would take up that kind of debate...that time has passed (for now) as I have other things in my life that hold more importance to me.

    Gitmo is an abomination to me. A chapter in U.S. history that is both cowardly and disgusting. And there is NO chance you are changing my mind on that...none.

    So further discussion is, IMO, pointless.

    I gave my opinion earlier. That is all I really wanted to do on this subject.

    I wish you good day, sir.
    I don't feel that the point that morality of behavior can change with the ends is immaterial at all to the discussion - on the contrary, that question is rather central to it.

    However, if you don't wish to discuss it I hope you have a good day as well. I will not, as it is 2:30 am and I have to write a 20 page paper over the next 36 hours or so.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't feel that the point that morality of behavior can change with the ends is immaterial at all to the discussion - on the contrary, that question is rather central to it.

    However, if you don't wish to discuss it I hope you have a good day as well. I will not, as it is 2:30 am and I have to write a 20 page paper over the next 36 hours or so.
    Were you not living/based in Asia before? Or am I thinking of someone else?

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Were you not living/based in Asia before? Or am I thinking of someone else?
    I'm back in America. Where God pays attention.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You are so full of *(((*Y that I don't know where to begin. Did you forget that Bush went to Congress with "said intelligence" and all of the Democrat party agreed including Hillary a Senator at the time and John F-ing Kerry that we should invade Iraq on the intelligence we had at the time? Yet you blame Rumsfield? Cripe sakes you need a reality check.
    Try reading my post before you start spewing your garbage. Where did I say anything about not invading? I said Rummy screwed up the "engineering".

    We had a chance to engineer that place to suit us. But, the Bush Admin refused to work with what we had and instead tried to shoehorn Iraq into some box that did not exist. Now it's a mess.

    Sheesh. Way to prove Chris right.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    "Something else".

    Kill them. All of them.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Try reading my post before you start spewing your garbage. Where did I say anything about not invading? I said Rummy screwed up the "engineering".

    We had a chance to engineer that place to suit us. But, the Bush Admin refused to work with what we had and instead tried to shoehorn Iraq into some box that did not exist. Now it's a mess.

    Sheesh. Way to prove Chris right.
    Rumsfeld resigned in 2006. I don't see how anyone could still be blaming him for the mess Iraq is in today, 7 years later. Bush was a lame duck the last two years of his presidency with a Democrat Congress doing everything it could to make the Iraq war as unpopular as possible in hopes it would gain them back power in the next election. We had Murtha and John Kerry accusing our military of atrocities at Haditha and every one of them accused were found innocent but not until their lives were made a total hell. We had Nancy Pelosi accompanied with other Democrats going over to talk to Assad against the administrations request not to while our country had him on our list of enemies for his part in aiding those who were killing our servicemen. There was John Kerry and his wife making little trips privately to dine with the Assad's undermining what the Bush administration was trying to accomplish. Then there was the peanut farmer Carter who took it upon himself to seek a friendly meeting with Hezbolah another terrorist group on our list of enemies again undermining the Bush administration. We had a Democrat Congress that used funding the military as blackmail to get Bush to sign their proposed pieces of legislation and fund their pet projects. We are now going into the sixth year of the Obama administration where Obama had two full years of a Democrat Congress to do anything he wanted and still enjoys a Democrat majority in the Senate and yet you are still blaming Rumsfeld/Bush administration for the mess in Iraq today!
    Last edited by vesper; 12-28-13 at 10:59 AM.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Rumsfeld resigned in 2006. I don't see how anyone could still be blaming him for the mess Iraq is in today, 7 years later. Bush was a lame duck the last two years of his presidency with a Democrat Congress doing everything it could to make the Iraq war as unpopular as possible in hopes it would gain them back power in the next election. We had Murtha and John Kerry accusing our military of atrocities at Haditha and every one of them accused were found innocent but not until their lives were made a total hell. We had Nancy Pelosi accompanied with other Democrats going over to talk to Assad against the administrations request not to while our country had him on our list of enemies for his part in aiding those who were killing our servicemen. There was John Kerry and his wife making little trips privately to dine with the Assad's undermining what the Bush administration was trying to accomplish. Then there was the peanut farmer Carter who took it upon himself to seek a friendly meeting with Hezbolah another terrorist group on our list of enemies again undermining the Bush administration. We had a Democrat Congress that used funding the military as blackmail to get Bush to sign their proposed pieces of legislation and fund their pet projects. We are now going into the sixth year of the Obama administration where Obama had two full years of a Democrat Congress to do anything he wanted and still enjoys a Democrat majority in the Senate and yet you are still blaming Rumsfeld/Bush administration for the mess in Iraq today!
    Nonsense. We invaded in 2003. By 2006 the place was a lost cause. Rummy left it a complete mess.

    The war was won in a week. The peace was lost over the following 6 months. By Spring of 2004, Iraq sunk into chaos.

    It didn't have to be. Read up on it. You'll see all the blunders and penny-pinching that resulted in a successful insurgency.

    Here's an article from 2006, long before Democrats got control, which really wasn't until Jan 2007.
    A catalog of Rumsfeld's biggest blunders.

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    Re: What should we do with the Guantanamo prisoners?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    86 of the 160 have been cleared for release. That means they are no threat to anyone.


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