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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    The US interstate system, the Polio Vaccine, Public parks, Hoover dam and State and National Monuments are all products of Socialism. Socialism is taxpayer money that is used to benefit society as a whole.
    "Benefit society" , a term that is anathema to todays conservatives ( my concept, this includes the tea baggers, the RINOs, the libertarians, the extremists)..

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Socialism works if everyone's a socialist. The moment someone doesn't feel like sharing, socialism begins it's collapse.

    To implement socialism, it would take generations of re-education away from the capitalist, greed-first view of human nature to the socialistic, altruism-first view. Now, this could be implemented by a benevolent dictatorship, however, the likelihood of it happening is impossible.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah? How are those programs doing? Everything hunky-dory and not headed towards inevitable fiscal collapse or anything?
    Just because those programs need to be reformed does not mean that we will replace them with nothing. Even if they are reformed they will be replaced with some sort of modernized program that meets the same needs. We will still be a mixed economy.

    To quote President Eisenhower:

    "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Just because those programs need to be reformed does not mean that we will replace them with nothing. Even if they are reformed they will be replaced with some sort of modernized program that meets the same needs.
    Socialism is structure, more than needs met. If we were to replace (for example) the single-payer model as described for Medicare with a private-sector-driven alternative, then we would be reducing socialism due to it's unfeasability; which would rather have impact on this discussion.

    To quote President Eisenhower:

    "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
    That's great that he said that. Unfortunately for him, "Math" does not care about political parties - it was no respecter of them in Greece, in Ancient Rome, or anywhere else that state entitlements to politically powerful pressure groups have proven mathematically unsustainable.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NO "like" , as this is silly and totally untrue , directly from Fox and Rush.
    Idealistic socialists, or young people or just not smart. Practical Socialists are adults, clever and despicable people, who want absolute power with a beautiful name.
    Which category of the socialists, you represent?

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Is socialism possible in the United States?
    Is it possible? Yes. Is it as good or as "beneficial" as its proponents blithely assume? No. Does it work? Only in the commune, the kibbutz, or in relatively small communities where heterogeneity does not, or cannot practically exist. Wherever it's been attempted elsewhere, it inevitably fails (assuming it ever worked at all), to the utter misery of its people under the absolute tyranny of its overlords.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Is socialism possible in the United States?
    I think you may find this interesting.

    Is communism possible in the USA?

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    I beleive the only way socialism will work is a evolutionary process supported by the majority of people. I believe it will only work with a democratic government, and it will be a slow evolution to reach socialism. It wont be a overnight revolution.


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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    "Socialism" as defined by those tenets laid down involving state-run production (sometimes conflated with "citizen ownership") stands directly opposed to private production for profit. So, no, it can never work.

    We never figured out how to play nice with each other, so we have, as a species, no motivation to do so. With all of it's waste, greed, an inherent inefficiency, a capitalistic profit-driven system is the only one we've come up with that has so far managed to feed a large population. Facts are facts, no matter how unfortunate.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    "Socialism" as defined by those tenets laid down involving state-run production (sometimes conflated with "citizen ownership") stands directly opposed to private production for profit. So, no, it can never work..
    Socialism is the worker direct control of the means of production. This can be via the state but if the state owns it the workers or citizens at large must have democratic control of that industry under state control.


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