View Poll Results: Is socialism possible in the United States

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  • No. Socialism never works.

    34 47.22%
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I know it has never really worked out but is the problem that the system cant work, has never been implemented properly, or just never had enough support?
    It has been tried in free societies (Sweden) und in autocracies with great dedication and the total support of state finances and power. Though, this does not disprove every possibility, it shows that it is very difficult, indeed.

    The explanation is probably a combination of overconsumption, information capture and processing, political taking precedence over economic decision making and so forth.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Socialism already works in the USA.

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    the list is endless
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Socialism would not work.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Socialism never does work, it also would not happen without a war. The Constitution protects the United States government from being able to become socialist unless there was amendments. Which would never happen because three fourths of the states that is required for a new amendment would not happen. If it some how did get passed then the people of the United States's would figure out that socialism is a bad thing! they would then demand for it to be repealed. If the government still did not repeal the amendment then they would start taking away the people's rights. When the people's right were gone the American people would have a revolution and refuse to let the socialism system work.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuy View Post
    Socialism never does work, it also would not happen without a war. The Constitution protects the United States government from being able to become socialist unless there was amendments. Which would never happen because three fourths of the states that is required for a new amendment would not happen. If it some how did get passed then the people of the United States's would figure out that socialism is a bad thing! they would then demand for it to be repealed. If the government still did not repeal the amendment then they would start taking away the people's rights. When the people's right were gone the American people would have a revolution and refuse to let the socialism system work.
    Really? You must have missed the point of PPACA then. PPACA says what a "private" medical care insurance policy must and may not cover and sets minimum and maximum overhead percentages; go over the maximum (15% for big companies to 20% for small companies) and you must refund the difference to all policy holders but go under that percentage and the gov't guarantees against any loss. How is that not socialism?
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Is socialism possible in the United States?
    Watching what you call socialism.
    Socialism is the alienation of people from the instruments of production. It is a system where businesses and firms owned not by professionals but bureaucrats of government agencies. Socialism is a system where success is punished and clerks operate not the real products but empty plans. Socialism is a system, when the food disappear from official stores and appears only on the black market. Of course, socialism is possible in the United States. But I would not like it...

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Absolutely...provided you have enough capitalists funding it.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Watching what you call socialism.
    Newspeak, Newspeak, Newspeak

    Socialism is the alienation of people from the instruments of production.
    Capitalism is the alienation of people from the instruments of production. Workers are alienated from the product of their labour.

    It is a system where businesses and firms owned not by professionals but bureaucrats of government agencies.
    That would be big-C, Marxist-Leninist Communism based on the soviet model. Socialism doesn't need to involve much government bureaucracy; rather a direct network of democracy established through syndicalism and participatory economics.

    Socialism is a system where success is punished and clerks operate the real products but empty plans. Socialism is a system, when the food disappear from official stores and appears only on the black market. Of course, socialism is possible in the United States. But I would not like it...
    If socialism=soviet model, then yes you're right.

    But it doesn't.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    joG, see Kaldor–Hicks efficiency.

    To sum it up, by shifting resources in the economy, a gain in benefit to one individual could be greater than the loss in benefit to another individual. Therefore, before such a shift, the market is not allocatively efficient, but might be Pareto efficient.
    The reason I hesitate is that we are not looking at conventional external effects, but with pure redistribution. Forgetting all else, the consequences of the shift in income will change allocation in later periods. The loss in efficiency of production can lead to reduced capacity to sustain the welfare level.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    Newspeak, Newspeak, Newspeak



    Capitalism is the alienation of people from the instruments of production. Workers are alienated from the product of their labour.



    That would be big-C, Marxist-Leninist Communism based on the soviet model. Socialism doesn't need to involve much government bureaucracy; rather a direct network of democracy established through syndicalism and participatory economics.



    If socialism=soviet model, then yes you're right.

    But it doesn't.

    Do you know other examples of socialism?

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