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Thread: Is socialism realistic?

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    meant to post this on the poll page. Not sure if i should start a new one or if a mod will move it.
    i will move it to polls.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i will move it to polls.
    What??? This is outrageous!!

    lol. Thanks Helix.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Nope. Socialism is a defeatist attitude, and America doesn't really embrace admitting to being losers.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    In the USA? It has been trying a number of times and has never worked. But there are different ways a socialist society can be constructed and they run their course differently and crash along different paths. But they all have a built in destabilizer. Socialist societies have large mechanisms for massive redistribution from the allocative optimum. This means they do not find efficiency. This does not mean that the welfare of the society cannot be higher after redistribution. I have, however, never seen a model of social redistribution with a stable sollution of welfare above the allocative optimum8.
    I know it has never really worked out but is the problem that the system cant work, has never been implemented properly, or just never had enough support?
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    I believe everyone should benefit from their country's resources; we have the technology to make that a reality, too.



    So you don't think companies could be controlled democratically and share profits amongst themselves?
    I believe that if a bunch of people want to start a company and make a product they should. If they want to also be the workers, that is fine.
    There is nothing stopping them.
    Go for it.

    But a business does not belong to the workers who have traded their labor to the employer for a wage.
    It belongs to the owner(s) who put the investment in to start it.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    A lot of people like socialism when you don't use the word socialism.

    This is especially evident in banking, professional sports, and our military.
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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Pure socialism.... no. All the data shows that capitalism is the best system in the history of the world when it comes to creating wealth. The problem is, it tends to leave some people behind. For that reason, I do believe in managed capitalism.

    I like the form of capitalism that exists in Western Europe and think we should seek to emulate it over here.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    A lot of people like socialism when you don't use the word socialism.

    This is especially evident in banking, professional sports, and our military.
    A great quote related:

    "On the Socialist ticket I got 60,000 votes, and on the 'End Poverty in California' platform I got 879,000. We simply have to recognize the fact that our enemies have succeeded in spreading the Big Lie" - U. Sinclair

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vodon View Post
    It is possible to have Pareto efficiency without allocative efficiency.
    As normally defined that would not be possible in my memory. But it possible, if depending on how the redistribution it treated. If it is defined as a production process it might be able to say it was Pareto optimal. I am not sure and must give it some more thought. The more difficult question seems to me more to be the stability of an economy that systematically produces at an allocative sur optimum. I would suspect that the model would require more planning and intervention than would be consistent with government restrictions. This is what appears to have queered every real world attempt.

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    Re: Is socialism realistic?

    joG, see Kaldor–Hicks efficiency.

    To sum it up, by shifting resources in the economy, a gain in benefit to one individual could be greater than the loss in benefit to another individual. Therefore, before such a shift, the market is not allocatively efficient, but might be Pareto efficient.

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